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#3627 of 4457 My new 01 GP GTP
Feb 12, 2004 (8:48 am)
Hello everyone, I am new to the posts, but nevertheless I'm a diehard Pontiac fan. I've owned three of them in my short time as a driver.
My first Ponatic was a 89 6000STE AWD. Awesome car and it gave me minimal problems, I owned it for 5 years and put 65,000 miles on it. Only thing bad I have to say about it, was it got real rusty and had lost lots of it's blue paint. I sold it and purchased a 95 Grand Prix SE. I bought it with 30,000 mile on it and got rid of it 5 yrs later at 80,000 only because I was dying to own the newer body style (97-03). The car was awesome, not a single problem. Looked and drove like it was new.
After looking around and driving several GT's and GTP's (not knowing which I wanted to own) I stumbled across a 2001 GP GTP with 8,500 miles on it. This was 6 months ago in Aug of 03. The Pontiac dealer had it on a lot for an amazingly low price. When I inquired about it, they told me the car belongs to one of their mechanics, and he is looking to sell it fast in order to by a Camero SS. To make a long story short, I spoke with the mechanic, and he and his wife decided to sell their beloved GTP to purchase the SS. The GTP was their 3rd car and sat in their garage for most of it's life. It had never seen snow,(from Mass) and was extremely cared for. He conducted the maintenance himself using synthetic oil, I have never seen a car being 2 years old and in such awesome condition. It doesn't even have a scratch on it. I had to buy it.
So here it is, 6 months later I am the proud owner of a 2001 GP GTP. I bought it with 8,500 miles it now has 15,000. It has every option a 2001 GTP could have on it. It's a silver 2dr with 3 spoke chrome rims (which had to grow on me) It also has the gray leather. I've had no issues thus far, and don't expect to have any. No rattles, no strange sounds, just a sweet driving car. (although the ride is kinda stiff, but I'll have no problem getting over that) I don't treat my cars as race cars, although I have shamed a few drives out there who thought they were all that in their BMW's and Audi's.
Just thought I'd post this and be part of what sounds like a proud bunch of Pontiac enthusiasts
Feb 12, 2004 (9:18 am)
The competition that reviewers compare against are other reviewers. How much are you willing to trust a reviewer who says that "cladding is gone" when the GP didn't have any?
Feb 12, 2004 (10:21 am)
Maybe the reviewer wasn't refering to the discontinued Grand Prix SE but the "cladded" Grand Prix GT/GTPs of the 1997-2003 Generation.
Feb 12, 2004 (10:31 am)
I don't think your argument holds water. Have you ever read owner reviews of a bad car? People are brutally honest when they buy a car they didn't like. They are not worried about justifying the cost of the car. It is human nature to shout the LOUDEST when things are not going well.
And besides, I'm not referring to a score an owner gives in some arbitrary rating. I'm referring to owners on this forum who have driven their car for several months, who can give objective opinions and details about certain aspects of a vehicle's handling, power, quality, etc. That info is much more valuable than some reviewer who is comparing different cars.
Yes, some of that info is useful when comparing models, especially if you don't have the time to test drive 20 different cars. I do read the reviews and other specification data on the internet before I even start a search for a new car. But the best info is obtained from people that already own the vehicle. I don't care whether a reviewer thinks a certain curve in the dashboard is awkward. That's useless superfluous information to me.
Half of the what the reviewer writes down is a rehash from the manufacturer's claims anyway. "Pontiac says the chassis is 35% stiffer...". In the other half they are trying to be cute or overly sarcastic to make a name for themselves.
Feb 12, 2004 (10:50 am)
That's "miniskirts", not cladding. You know, like Acura, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc, use. Of course, whatever these brands cough up is praised as the ultimate in refinement and taste, even when their cars have peanut shaped headlights!
Feb 12, 2004 (10:56 am)
"Cladding" is the generic term the press used for anything Pontiac applied to the side of its cars. When used by other manufactures it goes by names such a "moldings", "protective trim", "style highlights" or even "mini-skirts". So I believe the reviewer used it properly. It can also be found used the same way in Pontiac press releases when the 2004 was announced.
Feb 12, 2004 (11:03 am)
I was referring to the arbitrary use of numbers. I didn't post them - I was just responding to the previous pointless comparison between them. However you are mixing up some more apples and oranges when you claim owners are more critical when they don't like something about a car. Owners are very critical of lousy reliability and dealer service and will holler greatly about it. I think that is what you are referring to. But who buys a brand new car and complains about how lousy it is to own? Why would they have bought it to start with? Owner new car evaluations are almost always glowing as the flaws noted by reviewers are not a concern to the Owner. If they were, they would have bought something else. Owner criticism comes later down the road when they find out how much quality (or lack thereof) was designed into the vehicle. That reflects directly on resale value.
Feb 12, 2004 (11:55 am)
Let's get back to the topic here, folks....
#3635 of 4457 Beginning to see your point
Feb 12, 2004 (1:23 pm)
I think I understand more specifically what you are saying now and at least partially agree. So let's get back to the topic at hand, since I seemed to have unintentionally hijacked it - ooops.
My opinion on the GP:
Is it a good car? Yes
Does it lead its class? No. It is an average car. Unless you buy the GTP model, and some of the performance is at the top of its class.
Is it a good overall value? Yes. I bought my GT2 model with leather and HUD for around $22K with all the incentives. I moved up from a Grand Am, but still lowered my monthly payment and reduced from a 5-year to a 4-year loan. The car has a big 3.8L engine with decent power, and still gets 25-28 mpg on a regular basis. I get a decent amount of performance and a good bit of luxury with all the options and leather interior.
Does it have "issues"? Yes, including a low, flat and poorly padded back seat, headlight flutter and some other minor issues that I have not encountered, but others have.
Is it good looking? I think so, but that is a personal preference and part of why I bought the car. Others may think it not the greatest looking.
#3636 of 4457 Re: Beginning
Feb 12, 2004 (9:11 pm)
I will chime in on my opinion of my 04 Grand Prix GTP. It's got pretty much every option available, but I will be criticial on what I think. I personally love the car, but I don't think a "perfect" car exists in this price range. As far as the editor's scores on this site alone, I don't buy it. Heck, look at the average scores for American cars and then for Japanese cars down the board. It's obvious a bias exists, because there are some very boring Japanese cars to look at, drive, and they even have some of the supposed faults the American cars have, but for them, it's a plus (interior design for one). In my opinion, car reviews by non-owners are nothing more then a joke. However; I will totally agree on one subject, owners typically do review their cars (or any products) higher then they probably deserve. At the same time, the owners that aren't happy for one reason or another, will give it lower scores. What does that mean, with the GP scores on this site as high as they are, there are a heck of a lot more owners that are quite happy with the car and that is the most important thing. Like someone else said, I will be much more attentive to an owner's review over a writer's opinion with only 1 to 2 days of experience in the car. Anyway, here are what I perceive as positives and negatives of the car:
3800 Engine. Say what you will about older technology, but this is a great engine with a good history, acceleration, handling, fun to drive, great looking, not a mere 'A to B' car that quite a few cars fall into (base Altima is one), feel, wind noise, cockpit interior design, stereo, options available, and performance.
Rear seat comfort (doesn't affect me), kind of loud for engine noise, ride can be bumpy, no rear cupholders (not affected), some options not available that should be in this price range (some of these ommissions are huge for what my car sticker for: dual climate control, heated mirrors, automatic climate control, and an autodimming mirror).