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Oct 22, 2003 (6:45 am)
The old Grand Prix 3800 of 1997-2003 did 0-60 in 8 seconds flat, but for some reason the new 2004 is only rated at 8.5 seconds? I saw that in a few magazines and that is according to Pontiac's official numbers. The 2004 lost 1/2 a second somewhere. Though the 2004 is heavier, but not by much.. I think only 100 pounds? Very strange. I would think the 2004 would be about 8 seconds.. but even GM has it now at 8.5 ??
A 4 banger Altima is nearly as fast at 8.5...
These are the official 0-60 numbers according to Pontiac...
1997-2003 GTP is 6.8
1997-2003 GT/SE with 3800 is 8.0
2004 GT1/GT2 is 8.5
2004 GTP is 6.6
2004 GTP Comp is 6.5
Oct 22, 2003 (6:59 am)
Pushrods have high end power too.. remember the Grand National 1985-1987, GTP or current Vette with pushrods??
A stock GTP is slightly faster then a Stock I35 in the quarter mile. A testament to the pushrod being faster at higher speeds too.
I don't know if you have ever raced at the track... but Remember this.. The infiniti I35 has a 15 horsepower advantage, 255 vs 240 is 200 pounds lighter, 3350 vs 3550 and has a better final drive gear ratio 3.50 vs 2.93 then the GTP. YET the GTP does the 1/4 mile slightly faster FASTER then the DOHC I35... LOL Stock vs Stock.
The GTP's engine was named to Wards top 10 engine list of the past 100 yrs, just like the VQ series engine in the I35 was. They are both good engines.
I own both have a 2001 I30t and a 2002 GTP. Both nice cars.. yes the I30 is much more refined then the GTP.. but the GTP is the more fun to drive and sportier of the 2. In most competitons the I35 finished 8 out of 10 in the entry luxury segment... most drivers thought it dull. Also the GTP garners the looks, knowone looks at a I30/I35 and says, Hey nice car.. they do all the time in the GTP coupe ! They are both good cars..
As for reliability my GTP has been just a tad more reliable then my I30t. Go figure? the I30t has been in for repair more then the GTP.
Also you can easily change the pulley on a GTP instantly adding 30 horsepower bumping it to 270 or 290 depending on if it's a '97'-'03 or a new '04! You can NOT mod the I35 as cheaply as that.
So pushrods are NOT only just about off the line acceleration. If you raced at that track you might know.
I see GTP's spanking I35/Maxima Auto trannies all the time.
Watch out for the 6spd manual Maxima... with proper mods that can be an entertaining race at the track.
Oct 22, 2003 (7:01 am)
0-60 in 8.5 seconds is NOT slow. As long as you car can do it in under 10 seconds you are ok, according to AAA.
I drove a rental grand prix GT many times with an 8.0 time, and it was fast enough... better then average!
Remember the 222 horsepower Maxima of 2000-2001 is also rated at 8 seconds too ! Where as the GTP was 6.8 in those years.. a full 1.2 seconds faster!
Any CAR that can do 0-60 in under 7 seconds is downright muscular !!
New GTP is still one of the fastest family sedans on the road at 6.5 in comp G form with a top speed of nearly 142 mph!!
Oct 22, 2003 (7:12 am)
The GTP is a hard car to launch properly... it can very easily spin the wheels. Start slow and dig into it. any more then a 1/4 throttle stomp will lay rubber.
Where as on the I35/I30t a ful throttle smash to the floor will barely even chirp the tires... the car doesn't come to life until about 20mph! Alot of races are won/lost off the line... For in town driving the pushrod is far superior.
Oct 22, 2003 (7:20 am)
The final thing to consider here is that the I35 costs about $5,000 more then a GTP. So the I35 should be a better car based on price.. LOL The both have their pluses minuses.. since I own both I can comment.
My 2001 I30t MSRP was $34,000 fully loaded except Navigation, leftover paid $28k
My 2002 GTP MSRP was $29,000 fully loaded, $3k rebate, leftover, paid $23k for $23k the GTP was a steal, very good car for that price
So the I35 better have a MUCH NICER interior to go along with it's $5k higher price tag!
Oct 22, 2003 (9:55 pm)
too bad the GTP *needs* to be force fed to make any decent power since the basic design of the engine means it can't breathe enough on its own. and like who is gonna waste their productive time at home swapping supercharger pulleys on their car. 5% of people work on their own cars these days.
that same maxima if equipped with the bandaid blower will dust the GTP. They didn't have to resort to that to get real power out of it.
sorry, by today's standards, 8.5 seconds is slow for a v6 sedan. At a minimum, any v6 car should be able to crack below 8.0.
No one joins AAA today, nobody I know, not even the old people.
3800 hasn't been on wards list for a few years now, like 1999 i think when the shortstar replaced it. Why do suppose the shortstar booted the 3800 from the list?
Yeah the 3.8 is fine but a car like the GP should have other alternatives available as an option. Like the 'high feaTURE'. For some reason, at GM, the same type of engine everybody else builds typical, is considered a luxury or something.
Oct 23, 2003 (2:47 am)
Been a member since 1974, and EVERONE in my family still is as well. Makes total sense if you keep your vehicle beyond the roadside coverage.
2 friends watched me use it last year, and then joined themslelves, neither of which is over 50.
Anyway, what does this have to do with ANYTHING???
P.S. reg, the Verona will likely hit 60 in 10.
Oct 23, 2003 (4:38 am)
Can anyone confirm the 8.5 with a source? If true I wonder if the emission reductions in the series III caused the slower times?
Just for interest, anyone know what the 0-60 times of the new Bu with the new 3.5L OHV are?
Oct 23, 2003 (5:01 am)
"too bad the GTP *needs* to be force fed to make any decent power since the basic design of the engine means it can't breathe enough on its own. and like who is gonna waste their productive time at home swapping supercharger pulleys on their car. 5% of people work on their own cars these days."
If you check out clubgp.com, that's the first mod everyone does to their GP. Thousands of enthusiasts are doing the pulley swap. It's cheap easy mod that supplies BIG performance improvements.
"sorry, by today's standards, 8.5 seconds is slow for a v6 sedan. At a minimum, any v6 car should be able to crack below 8.0."
My 99 Grand Am GT was a sub-8 second car. Nothing else in that category was close. As far a family mid-size sedans, most are well over 8 second cars. Within the last couple years, Nissan has changed that.
"No one joins AAA today, nobody I know, not even the old people."
I've been a member for the past 10 years. It has saved me several times, especially changing of flat tires on a busy dangerous highway.
Oct 23, 2003 (12:00 pm)
I am considering a 2000 GTP Daytona edition with 33,000 miles; $12,000 asking price. I would appreciate any thoughts about the price, and what I should be looking out for. The car is garage-kept, immaculate in and out. It does need tires. I don't believe the car was driven hard. Thanks.