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Pontiac Grand Prix, Sedan
Jul 05, 2003 (3:19 pm)
Those stickers mark the lower hook points/anchors which are just behind the seat cushion. My 2003 GT has them and they are put on with some kind of super adhesive... I had one that started to lift and tried to pull it off (leather seats) with no luck. I tried a pair of pliers and the loose part of the tag tore off, rest still on seat. I didn't try a heat gun, but...
As for the interior of the 2004; I spent over a week in the 2004 and have owned a 2000 GTP and now have a 2003 GT. Cosmetically, the interior of the 2004 does not seem like a leap forward to me. I much prefer the "matte" finish of the hard plastic in my 2000/2003 over the shiny grainy pattern in the 2004 GT I drove. I also think Pontiac could have made the gauges a bit more subtle(big chrome rims started to distract me after a few days) and smaller; making room for the missing voltmeter, oil temp gauge...
But most of the rest of the car(with the exception of the cloth pattern) looks like moves forward. As Car and Driver put it in their July article "its evolving at its own pace".
I still love driving the GP and the competition is stiff in this category... I've driven most of the others and there isn't one in the bunch(Mazda6, Altima, Camry, Accord, Grand Prix, and even the Maxima) that hits all my priorities and likes. I bought the 2003 GT because after all the discounts and rebates it was a super bargain. I daily commute ~70 miles so I run up miles rather quickly, and after 4/5 years the difference in value between a GP or other isn't nearly as significant as the discounted purchase price. Now if I were inclined to have to pay MSRP, well the choice would push me more to the Mazda6 or Accord V6....
Jul 05, 2003 (4:05 pm)
I also couldn't find a car that suited ALL my wishes in the other finalists I considered (Bonne, CTS, Accord, ES300). I was eligible for a GM employee discount + GM card rebate which strongly steered me towards GM again.
Normally, I keep my cars 4 or 5 years, but I think I probably won't be keeping the GTP beyond 1 to 3 years. By then it'll be interesting to see how the CTS has evolved, whether Lexus has ironed out its ES300 transmission issues, and what Buick has in store for their revamped 2005 lineup.
#2635 of 4457 04 GP GTP is an improvement
Jul 05, 2003 (6:33 pm)
Although, I have eliminated the 04 GP GTP Comp G from my list, I would like to say that the 04 model is a big improvement over the previous years. I have tested them every year. The car is good in so many ways, but even the improved interior needs more refinement. It definitely hits many of the right spots in torque, acceleration, and I was shocked at how much they improved the handling. And I love the HUD. I know some of the owners of earlier models don't care for it, but I think it's a big improvement. I seriously considered it.
Jul 06, 2003 (10:25 am)
Dan165, My opinion, the 2004 GTP interior is CHEAP/CHESSY, only improvements over 2003 are slightly better leather/better dash cluster/speedo, everything else is just as cheap. It's an embarassment when my coworkers XG350 has a MUCH nicer interior in it for less $$, the engine sound was the same or less. Yes the XG looks dated and need more power/handling but you get a lot for the price, I wouldn't be buying one.
Regfootball, Great priceo n the SHO, i considered on in 1997 new but didn't think it merited $30k. I think that is why FOrd dropped it after 1999, why buy a SHO for $30 when you can get a GTP for $25k. But at high speeds they SHO's move. A GTP is much easier/cheaper to mod and always wins at the 1/4 race track, I agree the '97 to '03 GTP look better then the '04 GTP, my opinion. The SHO is fast... nice car.
I can't see how the new '04 GTP is 80% new parts, when it uses the same W body platform and drivetrain from 1997 ?? To me those are the most important parts. Yes the HUD is a must have, I fell in love with it since I had it in 1997 and was annoyed that the redesigned 2001 Aurora did NOT even offer the HUD as an option? NIce right?
The 2004 GTP interior is still NOT as good as the competition's interiors, by far, esp after sitting in the new Accord/Max. Doesn't even come close.
My 2001 I30t has 10x better interior then the 2004 GTP.
Jul 06, 2003 (10:34 am)
The Maxima has moved out of that class with the Accord, Camry, Passat, and Mazda 6 and into the Acura TL, Cadillac CTS, and Lexus ES 300 class. When Nissan released the 02 Altima it really sent the Maxima to a different class with the 04 model. With thar said Nissan is still on some kind of roll.
Jul 06, 2003 (10:49 am)
Seems to be priced similarly to a GTP in base SE trim, Comp-G or TL in higher trim levels.
Jul 06, 2003 (10:52 am)
Richm4, I could never and stil can't find the perfect car, my GTP has the power, but the I30t has the refinement/m/better interior, like ou I keep my cars 4-5 yrs.
In 2001 the ES300 was too floaty/boaty for me, the I30t handled much better/road sportier and was cheaper. After my probs with the '95 Aurora, i diid NOT buy the new for "01 Aurora.
All cars have their problems and pluses/minuses. If the GTP had the XG350 interior it would be pretty nice. LOL
Jul 06, 2003 (11:10 am)
The only knock I have against the new max and Altima V6 is the horrendous torque steer. The GTP's is much more controlled. The 3.5 DOHC Nissan engine sounds nicer/refined. A top of the line GTP comp G is going for nearly the same price as the Max.
I would rather buy the Max if the pricing was similar. the Max will have a higher resale valu down the road and most likely be more reliable/better built. I do NOT care for the front end of the new Max, but hey aftermarket parts can take care of that. The interior is nicer in the new max and I believe the new max is a larger/bigger car inside as well then the GTP?
Jul 06, 2003 (11:18 am)
<<<most people don't care about coupes, that's why they aren't making them any more>>>
Dan165, roughly 20% of 2002 GP sales were COUPES... 2003 GP sales were down, coupe cost them 20% of sales. About 25% of all 1997-2002 GP sales werer coupes, so GM just lost 20%+ of its potential customer by dropping the coupe.
They have forever lost me as a GP customer unless they bring back the coupe !! In 2006 I will be looking elsewhere, not at a GTP.
Why does POntiac still make the Sunfire/Grand am in coupe version?