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#2551 of 4457 where did GM loose 1/2 a second
Jul 01, 2003 (9:06 am)
I have seen 0-60 times as high as 8.5 on the new 2004 Grand Prix GT, yet the previous generation 1997-2003 average about 8 seconds flat?
Even the POntiac enthusiast magazine I got for free for buying my 2002 GTP claims 8.5 seconds for the new 2004 GT... may competitors 4 bangers are in that same 8.5-9.0 range now.
Where did GM loose 1/2 a second on the new design?? Same engine and hp? Right? Only 50 pounds heavier? Even the 2000 Impala 3800 was clocked as fast 7.9
Jul 01, 2003 (9:27 am)
Other than styling I don't know what is "sport sedan" about it. Not a sport suspension, regular GM power steering system, automatic transmission and average power.
If I had to pick FWD sport sedans I would say the Mazdaspeed Protege, Sentra Spec-V, Mazda 6, Altima SE, Jetta GLI, Max SE would be candidates.
Jul 01, 2003 (9:36 am)
gunit, I would like to give you credit for your knowledge (and your free time).
I think I may represent a large percentage of car buyers. 0-60 times and horsepower are the only way manufacturers can "quantify" their technical abilities. "i.e.-- Acme's engine technology must be best because they have 21 horsepower more then Standard's engine." A car that is 1 second faster 0-60, while as much as 13% faster, still only gets me to my mother-in-laws: 1 second faster. I also happen to believe that there are so many variables in mesuring that they are not comparable from one source to another. I beleive that GM has felt comfortable with the 3800's performance as had many others who have purchased the various versions over the years. Only now that they were developing the new GTP Comp G did it matter to be competative.
#2554 of 4457 Grand Prix GT2 wheels/tires
Jul 01, 2003 (11:01 am)
Hi, I'm a new poster to this board. I've been reading for a few months.
I'm looking at getting a GT2 but I can't stand the wheels (painted or chrome). I like the 5 spoke ones from the GTP and even if I order the car the dealer says they can't be ordered on the GTs.
Has anybody ever done a trade with a Discount Tire or national chain. Trade in new tire and rim for an aftermarket rim and better tire. If so, how much $ did they give you for the trade-in? Any advice or direction would be appreciated.
#2555 of 4457 Grand Prix Sales & bobbyz34
Jul 01, 2003 (11:13 am)
http://gm.media.com reports Grand Prix sales up 10% over June 2002.
Bobbyz34, the GTP uses 17" wheels and tires, the GT2 16" wheels and tires. Thats why you can't get the GTP wheels on the GT2. After OnStar and lumbar adjuster, the difference between them is around $1,375. Get the 17", supercharger, and full function tranction control
#2556 of 4457 3 dealer installed GP options
Jul 01, 2003 (11:31 am)
I just got the full brochure for the GP. It includes 3 dealer installed options that will be available soon.
I was happy to see that you have an option to replace the exhaust castings. The 3 options include:
- 2 sets of dual 3" Dia stainless exhaust tips
- Set of satin finish grill inserts with larger hex holes
- Larger replacement for the rear decklid spoiler.
Jul 01, 2003 (11:35 am)
montanafan, you can deny that Gm has sat on its laurels since 1997with the W body while the competition has passed it by, the GTP and GT back in 1997 was a much better value and bang for the buck back in '97 then it is now in '04. like Honda/Toyota they shoud introduce a new model every 4yrs, not every 6-8 yrs. Now 7 yrs later to only have 20 more hp and 5 more hp in GT form and not really be any faster, meanwhile the competition, max/altima etc have made much bigger strides in power and size. Who ever thought the altima would be the same size or bigger then the GTP with similar power? Not back in '97, now it is.
All car testing magazines have slight variances, it also depends on the temperature, superchargers perform MUCH BETTER in colder/cool air then in hot humid air. . A 6.8 0-60 car will NOT get you any faster to your destination then a 8 second 0-60 car, I agree with you 100% I never said that it would.
Jul 01, 2003 (11:40 am)
Montanfan, your link doesnt' work, time will tell if the '04 enjoys the same 50% increase in sales the '97 achieved over the 1996. Hopefully it does.
From 1997-2003 you could get the GTP wheels on the GT, they were all 16" back then.
17" tires are MUCH MORE Expensive to replace then 16", I know from having 17" inchers on my 2001 I30t. that one inch is a big difference. In fact most stores in my area don't even carry 17" in stock, usually a special order of 3-5 days.
Jul 01, 2003 (11:56 am)
"if you get a 5 yr loan that only comes to $50 more a month."
I would suspect $50 a month would be a big difference in someone's budget allowance.
Jul 01, 2003 (11:57 am)
<<<Other than styling I don't know what is "sport sedan" about it. Not a sport suspension, regular GM power steering system, automatic transmission and average power.
If I had to pick FWD sport sedans I would say the Mazdaspeed Protege, Sentra Spec-V, Mazda 6, Altima SE, Jetta GLI, Max SE would be candidates. >>>>
VCJUMPER, Exactly my point, The only GP that ever comes close to being a sport sedan is the GTP model. Even the GTP is NOT a sport sedan, esp after owning my '97 and now '02 GTP coupes. Very fast, but only average handling and brakes. A very firm/harsh ride/excessive tire thump and feel every bump in the road and over heavy steering thanks to magnasteer do NOT make the GTP a sports sedan.
again my 2001 I30t handles the SAME or BETTER then my stock GTP. I can take exit ramps much faster in the I30t more competently.
I can tell you the GTP reliability has always been so-so at best or average.. doesn't hold up to the foreign competition.
I went with the GTP because I love coupes, ROOMY coupes and the great deal I got.