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#2483 of 4457 Tek3: 2004 Grand Prix
Jun 28, 2003 (12:31 pm)
I took delivery of a silver 2004 GT1 last week. I have had no problems with headlights bouncing. I have the dark pewter cloth interior. Some people have mentioned that they do not favor the pattern on the cloth seats. My previous car was a 2001 Buick Regal LS, and I admit I like the grey houndstooth pattern used with that cloth interior. I like the Pontiac seats over the Buick seats in terms of support and comfort. Both cars were built in the Oshawa, Canada assembly plant, and I would rate the build quality high for both cars. I drove the Regal 77,000 miles with the maintenance limited to lubricants, filters, and tire rotations.
The Regal had a strut bar under the hood connecting both front struts. The GT1 does not have the strut bar. Does your GTP have one?
#2484 of 4457 Re: New Owners
Jun 28, 2003 (9:05 pm)
I bought a silver GTP about a month and a half ago. I have enjoyed the car quite a bit and would definitely recommend it to someone that is considering one. As far as any problems or complaints, I haven't noticed any problems whatsoever. I am still trying to get used to the HUD system in the car though, but that's just because I have never had a car that has one in it. Other then that, the car is a blast to drive and I think looks great with the chrome wheels on it.
Good luck to you with your new GTP.
#2485 of 4457 DRL and Mileage
Jun 28, 2003 (9:37 pm)
From personal experience the DRL have saved me from a couple of accident; primarily people pulling into traffic - they took a second look with the DRLs and I am sure they would have proceeded pulling out if my vehicle didn't have the DRLs.
The last 5/6/7 vehicles we have owned; with the exception of a Volvo V70 XC, have exceeded the EPA highway estimates. Can't really say about city since we rarely have a tank with only city miles on it. My 2000 GTP consistently got 30 mpg on the highway doing 65-75 mph. I haven't gotten a full tank on the highway with my 2003 GT, but mixed driving (70/30 hwy/city) I'm consistently getting 25 mpg, which make me think it exceeds EPA estimates....
And I ain't no old Sunday type driver....
#2486 of 4457 2004 GP for a week
Jun 28, 2003 (9:51 pm)
I just returned from business trip to Boston area. I had a rental 2004 GT for the week. Although I didn't get a chance to really go out and "drive" it the way I would have liked, it was a pretty good experience for the several hundred miles I did put on it running around.
What I found was some of my earlier impressions from the auto show and a short test drive have changed a bit.
What I liked:
- The seats - very comfy, I forgot how well cloth "grips" you and gives you a bit more confidence pushing hard into the corners...
- The ride and handling are improved over the previous gen. It had the same Goodyear Eagle LS tires as my 2003 GT so the comparison was quite equal.
- Much reduced road and wind noise.
- Trunk is much more accessible and functional.
I found that the "questionable" cloth pattern sort of grew on me. It didn't bother me as much after a day or so...funny though it did remind me of the pattern is some office furniture or industrial carpets I've seen...
What bothers me:
- I hate to admit it, the longer I had the car, the more the hard plastic on the dash, console... looked worse. It was too shiny, had some parting flash still on areas and the grain pattern was offensive compared to some of the other parts. It really does this car injustice.
- NO GLOVE BOX - not sure what they call that drop down - a shelf?
- The bright RED DIC. It was distracting and you can't adjust the brightness. Overall I found the DIC on the GP pretty worthless.
- The radio and climate control worked fine but the faces and printing on them looked real cheap. Again a real injustice.
I didn't ride in the back seat, but it isn't the greatest. I have sat in worse.
And yes, I have sent my comments to Pontiac.
Jun 29, 2003 (6:41 am)
mrrogers: The GTP does not have any bar between the two strut towers. However, I believe all GP levels have various sized anti-roll bars on the front and rear. I chose the parchment color leather interior and would highly recommend that anyone looking at the GP.
dialn24: I've never had HUD before either. It does take some getting used to but I like the feature alot.
orwoody: The hard plastic was my biggest complaint after seeing the car at the auto show. But since I bought the car it isn't as offensive as I first thought. Still could be better. I agree the glove box is pretty silly. It's still twice as big as the one in my Cutlass Supreme. I have to disagree on the DIC, however. It has some useful features and I love all the information it provides.
Jun 29, 2003 (8:11 am)
Thanks for the honest review. You seem to have hit many of the same points I noted about the car. It just could have been so much better with relatively little effort by GM if they had used some decent materials and got less gimmicky with the interior.
Jun 29, 2003 (1:06 pm)
<<But I've seen a lot of Silverados with only the right DRL on... Something fishy there...>>
There is alot of them in my area with that one light on, is that GM Design feature? Hope not...
<<About HID, I'm a little wary of replacement costs: $500 each! I've seen good headlights designs doing better than some HID-equipped cars around town...>>
HID bulbs are NOT $500 to replace and they last longer then Halogen. Which non HID cars have better headlight designs then HID equipped cars? The '97-'03 GP has the most useless hi-beams I have ever used, the regular lamps aren't that great. By comparson the HID on my '01 I30t are the best headlights I have ever used. The '04 GTP should have had HID as an option just like the altima/max have had for years now.
Jun 29, 2003 (1:10 pm)
Montanafan, All the new 2004 GP's my area have the foglights on during the day, so is somebody rewiring these cars? It against the law in NJ to drive with your foglights on UNLESS its inclement weather. Strange
Jun 29, 2003 (1:28 pm)
Dindak, We can argue this over and over, I have seen studies that PRAISE DRLS and those that Shame it. So who do you believe then? 1/2 the studies are PRO DRLS and 1/2 are ANTI-DRLS, and when GM EPA rates it's cars the DRLS is shut down that is a fact. For every site that praises DRLS there is an anti DRLS site.
A better feature is the automatic sensor on certain cars that turns the headlights on when it gets dark enough out. Driving without headlights is more of a safety problem. I have seen many people, especially in parking garages or at dusk driving with no lights on.
Jun 29, 2003 (1:32 pm)
Have had an 04 GTP since April and am happy but would have bought a CTS if I had to do it over again.
Great engine and transmission
Roomy interior and trunk
Expensive compared to what you get with some other cars
Cheap cheap cheap plasticy interior
Low back seat
Wiper stalk gets turned on accidentally very easily
Fit of moldings around carpeting was not installed very well