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#2252 of 4457 2004 GTP - WS6
Jun 15, 2003 (8:19 am)
I've had a 93 STS, 95 STS, 97 Cooncours and the 2000 DTS so that's enough for right now. I currently have the 04 grand prix, 63 grand prix, and a C5 vert so I do have a decent variety. I decided, first, that I don't want a new one just like the one I'm getting rid of, and secondly, I want to put my money into collectables such as a 61 Pontiac Ventura 389 tri-power bubble top and maybe a 65 Riviera GS. GM made so much junk in the late 70s and 80s that we forget just how nice the early and mid 60s GM full size cars were. I want to own a few again. However, it is my completely restored 63 grand prix http://hometown.aol.com/scotth3886/myhomepage/personal.html and http://hometown.aol.com/scotth3886/index.html that made me think of a new one. GM's support of the old car hobby paid dividends.
#2253 of 4457 fusion orange
Jun 15, 2003 (8:22 am)
I would consider it but I know my conservative wife would veto that choice so we would have to go with a "normal" color.
04gtpws6 : Congrats on the new GP. Great pictures!!
Jun 15, 2003 (8:37 am)
Thanks! I need to get a digital camera so I can post some decent pics. The second link's photos were done by the same photographer that did the 350Z ad and we are in the same location down in the LA harbor. So forgive the artsy fartsy appearance.
Had the fusion orange been the first color that came in I would have done it. I've seen one that color and it works quite well on this car
Jun 15, 2003 (9:04 am)
04GTPWS6, what kind of drag racing? A pulley will add 30-40 horse alone on the '97-03 geneartion GTP. Not sure on the mods for the Series 3 3800 yet, though probably similar. My 2002 is tuned to around 300 horse and the 1/4 in the low 14's. Yeah, my modded 2002 GTP has LESS Torque steer then the STOCK Maxima/I35/V6 Altima, which if you ever drove them, have HORRENDOUS torque steer almost to the point of being dangerous in certain driving situations... IE wet pavement.
Thanks to FWD I can still drive in the snow and pay 20% less insurance then Mustang/Transam owners. Yes, the '04 is more refined, with better seats, but NO COUPE? that kills it on my list. The 2 door GTP looked more stylish then the 4 door, my opinion . The coupe was 20% of the Grand Prix sales, doesn't make sense..
I've heard that the 2004 GP and Max aren't selling that well, mabye the resession? The Max is too much $$, $32k loaded for a Nissan, when one can buy a Infiniti for the same price range with a longer warranty and free loaner cars. To each their own.
I am also leary of first year GM cars, I had a 1995 aurora and 1997 GTP... they were problematic. My 2002 has been the first GM in a while that has been TROUBLE FREE, knock on wood in my 9 month now.
Historically, especially on the 1997-2003 GP, the 2nd or 3rd year GM corrects problems, IE condensation in the headlights, water on the passenger front, windshield wiper motors, NO Traction control, noisy Delco ABS system that was loud in 1997 etc.. stuff that plagued the 1997 GTP, including mine. For 1998 GM utiilzed BOSCH for the ABS/Traction and it became quieter more refined, that was a big improvement.. the ABS in my 1997 sounded like a system from the early '90's loud and intrusive. The Best radio in the 1997 was garbage as well. Thats why I will never buy a 1st year GM car again.
Besides with NO more GTP coupe that means I will never be buying another one. I will have to look at other 2 door Powerfull/Roomy FWD coupes for 2006. if any exist. None that I know of, except the UGLY Monte SS. Rumor has it GM may cancel that if sales don't pick up as well. Besides the Monte is too ugly for me.. GTP coupe looked way better.
Jun 15, 2003 (10:10 am)
The 97 had very few issues and that was 5-6 years ago. The new GP is built in the best plant in NA so I personally would have no problem buying one out of the gate.
Jun 15, 2003 (11:52 am)
Don't confuse the GM that built cars like the '63 GP with today's GM. They share only one thing - the name. GM no longer cares about making cars, just about making money. The soul and passion for style and performance is long dead. Instead we have atrocities like the Aztek and interiors like the '04 GP with uglycloth (TM Regd.). GM used to know how to build great cars, but no one there now remembers that.
Jun 15, 2003 (3:24 pm)
If you knew anyone who worked at a car plant (any maker) you would understand how incredibly passionate they are about the cars they build. Living out east, I'm sure you haven't got a clue though.
Jun 15, 2003 (3:56 pm)
I think GM is passionate about reviving itself. They made alot of mistakes in the 90's with Pontiac(especaially), Cadillac, and Buick. i mean the 60's were a different time. How can you compare 2003 to 1963 in the car market? There's alot more saturation now. I'm no big fan of GM but I graduated High School in 1998 and GM's cars had no personality to them at that time. Finally, GM is doing something with Cadillac and looks like something with Pontiac too now. Buick needs to go. I remember when I was growing up in the 80's there was still alot of GM cars on the road. Somewhere around 1992-1993 is when things to started to change. Gm made alot bad product decisions in the early 90's and drove people away. The 80's were decent for GM. The 90's were not good at all for GM.
Jun 15, 2003 (3:57 pm)
I'm not talking about the guys on the line that assemble them. I've been to GM plants and know what they're all about, the good and the bad. I'm talking about the management, the designers, the engineers, and especially the bean counters. The ones who have destroyed GM.