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#1569 of 4457 regfootball-post1513-Saturn L300 Faster/more fun????
Oct 22, 2002 (5:28 pm)
Hi Bob, you stated in your post that the L300 Saturn 6 cyl-182 HP- (Ijust test drove both the 2003 Saturn - L-200 and L300- this past weekend) can SPANK a normally aspired 3800- do you have actual 0 to 60 figures or 1/4 mile numbers to back that up??
Reason being that i also test drove a 2003 Grand Prix GT- (200 HP)I am purchasing the Grand Prix GT- not the Saturn, and I also presently own a 98 Bonneville SSE and 2000 SE-(both with the 205 HP engine-- the L200 and L300 whinned when I hit the gas to excellerate- and there wasn't great excelleration. Is this typical of a OHC engine??- To me (again in my opinion )my Pontiac's are faster and more fun to drive that either Saturn model- (I'm not knocking Saturn, its a fine vehicle- I just think the Pontiac is faster. Please show me factual proof that a L-300 is Faster, if its true,
I'll become a believer- no problem
Oct 22, 2002 (6:33 pm)
I think the Edmunds family car comparison from 2000 has the L300 timed at 7.3seconds 0-60.
Oct 23, 2002 (4:23 am)
I think it's true, the L300 is very fast. The likely reason is the weight, the L300 is smaller with polymer panels on the doors.
#1572 of 4457 vcjumper/dindak-regfootball
Oct 24, 2002 (7:24 am)
Vc jumper and Dindak-Thanks for your responses,
still waiting for Bob to verify his statement.
I just got the RATED times for the 2003 Grand-Prix GT and the Saturn 2003 L300 from the Bonneville site of which I am a member.
PONTIAC GRAND PRIX- GT- 8.0
SATURN L300- 8.2
Not what I would consider EITHER vehicle "SPANKING"
the other one!!
Oct 24, 2002 (8:39 am)
Funny how much times differ between different magazines and manufacturers, and how two cars that are both rated ~8 seconds 0-60 can feel so different because of where they make their power.
Oct 24, 2002 (4:52 pm)
I really struggle with how to objectively rate acceleration - without lining the two cars up and seeing who gets to a certain point faster at various starting speeds (assuming you are in cruising gear).
I often see numbers which do not match my personal experience driving one or more given cars, or engaging in a friendly test of speed:)
I like Daniel Heraud's times from Carpoint for relative comparisons with a few exceptions. The times are slower for all cars as compared to mags, but relative to one another seem to reflect my personal experience and that of others.
I have friends with various cars that on paper as faster or faster than my GTP. However, I was easily able to pull away from them (stock) from any speed to any speed. They also agreed after driving in both cars that mine was faster.
I think you have to really be careful about magazine 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. They may use launch and shift techniques that are unrealistic for most driving environments. Standing start acceleration also favors manual transmissions and rear wheel drive, more so then rolling starts or passing.
Plus 3800SC is particularly hard to launch in front wheel drive car given all the torque, while also prevents you from building up a lot kinetic energy in the engine through a high rpm launch.
I also believe offical 0/60 and 1/4 times are started from when the car begins to move not when you engage the clutch or press the gas/release break in an automatic.
A car with a high stall speed torque converter and sufficient traction may post better numbers than its useful performance. If you punch it at a light, the clock starts when the pedal drops.
A lot of real world stop light dual are also a few hundred feet. Hence 1/8 mile and '60 times might be more relevant.
Tires make a world of different too. The sports package on some euro sports sedans come with much better tires than the stock ones on their american counter parts.
The result is much better braking, acceleration, and skidpad numbers.
Now if you drive a car without this package, or just with lesser tires, it can be a world of difference.
Think about how much different better tires make on GTP.
I switched from Eagle RSA to Dunlop SP3000 in same size and it was a total different car.
Oct 25, 2002 (9:23 pm)
the grand prix, of all the NA 3800 cars I have driven seems to have the best acceleration, and possibly the most aggressive tranny.
Also, in the Grand Prix the 3800 did seem to be more mannerly and behaved than in other cars.
My most recetn drive of a 3800 was in a 2k2 Bonneville and again it felt dull to me.
I recall the l300 auto I drove to feel very very snappy. Upon recollection It seemed as though it revved quicker and had a bit more upper top end than the NA GP.
Cars like the Regal, LeSabre, Lumina, Bonne etc. that I have test drove with the NA 3800 seemed to rev slow and not sound that great. Acceleration was decent, but not what I would term enjoyable...for some reaosn in the Grand Prix it seems a bit better.
The Saturn just seems more "good to go" as far as being a more willing partner.
As far as test times I know the L300 has had good 0-60's but don't recall what the passing times and street starts were.
Oct 27, 2002 (4:21 pm)
Thanks for responding. I guess its how each of us individually get the feeling of driving various
cars. As I mentioned earlier- i just leased a new 2003 Grand-prix GT- NA3800, gave it a great run over the week-end- put on almost 500 miles- the car is (again in my opinion) faster than the L300.
Very fast acceleration.-
#1577 of 4457 NA3800
Oct 28, 2002 (4:05 am)
Different gearing may be what you are feeling.
My Impala LS has a 3.05 gear. But i think that engine is offered with gearing down into the 2.70's. I know there is a 2.93 gear also.
Incidently my Intrigue with the 3.5L and 3.29 gear was quicker than my Impala. On the highway the gap was even larger.
Oct 30, 2002 (10:23 am)
I have a 2k GP GT. Has anyone had experience getting a car seat installed in this vehicle? I know a lot of new cars have built in "latches" between the seats in the back where the seat just snaps into them. I looked around and couldn't find anything like this. I talked to our local dealer and he was clueless. Does anyone know if I can buy this latch thing aftermarket and install it?