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Volvo S70, Sedan
#561 of 1197 ETS warning light
Dec 24, 2003 (7:21 am)
We have 1999 Volvo GLT with about 30K miles.
In general car was o'k and trouble free (my wife drives it and loves it)except common Volvo S70 problems: lights bulbs and driver's door electric disabling.
We have two problems now:
1. 30K service was done in Aug 03.
I assume they checked the coolant level last service (maybe not?).
But now level is low. There are no puddles or other evidence of external leak.
How could it possibly drop so quickly?
2. ETS warning light came on periodically. After resetting the ignition it usually come down, but once in a while came back on with no apparent reason.
Did anybody have/had similar experience?
I suspect that some damage might have been done during last service.
My suspicions is NOT groundless - We had bad luck (and not once!)
with upscale dealership's quality of work ( Mercedes and Volvo).
#562 of 1197 by, bye Volvo
Jan 05, 2004 (11:53 am)
Hey, total silence here???!!!
Everybody traded or sold their Volvo already? Nobody to answer?
We bought new Volvo because of it's phenomenal reliability records.
My Volvo S-70 GLT was trouble free for 4 years and about 33K.
All services were done at dealerships. Very light use: 14miles to work
and back - mild climate, no abuse, no teenage drivers, etc.,
And then all hell broke loose: coolant dropped, ETS software replaced, ETS box failed and
replaced, burned smell in the cabin, got my wife in a state of panic.
And people in the dealership with the straight face are telling us that this a very good car??
My good old Dodges were running for 200k miles each, practically no problems and very cheap repairs. What's the deal here?
Are we paying extra bucks for upscale car to have all these problems?
Is our vanity cost that high? Give me a RELIABLE car and I am willing pay more for it.
They are giving us this expensive foreign junk instead.
I'll sell my S-70 and I'll NEVER have any business with Volvo again.
Volvo are you listening??
Jan 06, 2004 (7:36 am)
i'm here and a volvo owner. saw your original post, but really can't help. I have had no such problems. Maybe others haven't either, and that's what the silence is all about.
Is only your ETS light coming on? Not the ABS light? If it was both, I could help ya (bad ABS module, which is very common), but with only the one light, I have no idea. Is it fixed now? (you mentioned new software and box)
as far as coolant, have you topped it off? has it dropped again? if it keeps dropping, then I would think you have a leak. Have you checked the oil dipstick? Any foaming or discoloration? If so, probably an indication that coolant is getting in the oil.
So, overall, you've got the ETS issue, bad smell, and low coolant. If the ETS is now fixed and the low coolant was a one-time thing and is not dropping anymore, then you are down to a bad smell. Maybe I'm too lenient, but that's a small list for 4 years.
#564 of 1197 Maybe We're Used to It
Jan 06, 2004 (9:02 am)
My 1998 Volvo S-70 base sedan now has 66K miles and though we had more major problems two years ago, it has calmed down- an occasional check engine light, the fan running after the motor is turned off, power windows slowing down- hate to say it, but owning a Volvo (or Mercedes, or BMW, or the other European cars) will give you more maintenance and higher cost maintenance than the Japanese/Korean or even (maybe) American cars- it just comes with the territory. I have found a good independent place in Virginia (near Washington, D.C.) and he admits that the Volvos have high maintenance, but good safety and longevity if you keep them maintained. My timing belt needs replacement at about 70K. So I allocate about $1,000 to $1,500 per year in Volvo maintenance and replacements- cheaper than buying a new car, I guess. Plus the features are good and the seats are top notch.
#565 of 1197 Airbag Failure
Jan 26, 2004 (4:18 am)
We own a 1998 S70 which we bought new and now has 21,000 miles on the clock. Always dealership serviced. Last week my wife was T boned at the driver's side front by a car that blew a red light. The impact spun her car around and she hit another car head on. She slammed her head and left side against the inside of the drivers door. Suffered a concussion and separated neck/shoulder muscles. I am very concerned that the neither the front or side airbags deployed. The impact destroyed the front end of the car. The Volvo dealership lamely stated the sensors were not tripped. That much is obvious. I think the car should be looked at by Volvo engineers. We buy these cars largely based on there safety features.
Jan 27, 2004 (1:27 pm)
Only go off if the frame is deformed.
Sounds like she bent alot of sheet metal, but not enough frame.
Hope she's allright.
Jan 28, 2004 (11:29 am)
It doesn't take much speed to trip the side airbags. If she was injured that badly by the door panel and was spun around, the side airbag should have inflated. The speed of the front impact may have been too low to deploy the front airbags.
Jan 30, 2004 (11:18 am)
Speed has nothing to with it.
Frame deformation is the sole decider in a Volvo.
If the car was hit in the door the surrounding fram probably didn't deform enough to trip the bag.
Jan 30, 2004 (12:54 pm)
Bull! Show me where Volvo is any different from every other car manufacturer. The sensors that trip the airbags are based on the deceleration rate of the vehicle and have NOTHING to do with how much the frame is deformed. A sensor is unable to determine how much the frame is damaged; they aren't optical. Someone has given you some major misinformation. Don't you remember Volvo had to recalibrate the front sensors on the S80 because the airbags went off in a 5 mph bumper collision? There definitely wasn't any frame deformation at that speed. Look in the manual of any car that has side airbags and it will tell you the avg speed at which you can expect the airbag to inflate. I believe most cars are set to go off at about 15 mph and up. So either this ladies Volvo was hit at a speed below that limit, the side impact wasn't a direct t-bone, or the airbag failed.
Jan 31, 2004 (8:02 am)
First, the S80 bags went off because the front belts weren't fastened. The front bags can do that.
The side bags operate on a totally different system. They have a nuch higher threshold for deployment. Basically you have to have enough force to compromse the frame. The door gave way enough that the sensor percieved a lower impact speed than what was necessary to trigger the bag.
Also, point impacts sometimes won't trigger the bags. The impact must be transmitted over a larger surface.
BTW the owners manual says basically what I have said, the bags don't go off in all situations AND there is no mention of a minimum impact speed for deployment.