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Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Sedan
Jul 07, 2004 (5:27 pm)
Thank you for you concern and your words Badgerfan!
Let me just say 3 things about these cars (Tauri and Sable. They're damn strong and safe. While reporting the accident to my insurance company, the rep told me right off the bat that the car would probably be totaled as the cost of repairing it would exceed the value of it. I argued with him that my station wagon was a top of line and very well equipped. Well, the adjustor who actually came to check it out say confirmed that it was a total loss. The guy noted that replacing airbags would be $1500 + other components on the steering wheel. Then replacing other parts was going to cost a bundle, he said. He couldn't give me a value right there and then but promised to call me that afternoon.
He did and said that the company that tabulated the value of the car came up with a very surprising figure of $12200. They took into account the equipment and mileage and other issues. So the adjustor told me that, on second thought, they could have the car repaired if I wanted.
The third thing about the Sable/Tauri is value. This experience disproves the notions and stereotypes about not holding their value well.
So I was all of the sudden faced with a dilemma. The number they gave me was what I'd have to pay for the exact same car, 2000 Mercury Sable station wagon Premium LS with low mileage. So after discussing the issue with my wife, we began to see the chance of a brand new Taurus of Sable. We felt that buying a 2004 in the Summer with cash rebates would be easy. I know that in the past I bitched and complained about my station wagon, but I really loved it. So it was very difficult to let it go.
Jul 07, 2004 (5:50 pm)
A few observations for you guys that drive Tauri or Sables: After the accident I couldn't start the car possibly due to the fuel pump shutting off. I couldn't find the switch anywhere to activate it. I know that these cars are programmed, in an accident, to automatically deactivate the fuel pump to prevent a fire. As soon as the airbags deployed I thought I saw smoke. I realized later that it was caused by the airbags.
The front bumper did its job well. I must' ve been going at about 25 mph when I hit the van, and the bumper held. The assembly behind was bent like a V. I don't think the engine sustained damage. At least I didn't see any, I'm not sure though. There was substantial damage on the right quarter panel
I slammed on the brakes (ABS) and was able to reduce speed but couldn't bring my car to a full stop without hitting the other vehicle. My body lurched forward with force but I felt the seat belt tightening and holding me in place. My arms and face touched the deploying airbags which came out of the steering wheel in a spilt second. Then, I felt my body and head falling back against the seat violently. I don't think the head rest held my neck all that well though. It seemed too high, and it had been set at its lowest position. Truth is that the car didn't appear all that damaged. It'll be sold at an auction. Somebody will buy it, fix it and enjoy it.
#2904 of 3389 Have 03 Sable.. Just drove a 300C
Jul 08, 2004 (6:27 am)
I like my 03 Sable.. but for fun,I drove a new 300C (5.7) yesterday.. I would like others on here to drive a 300 and/or the 300C and see what you think how they compare to the Sable...
#2905 of 3389 RE: Have 03 Sable.. Just drove a 300C
Jul 08, 2004 (7:26 am)
I have an '01 Taurus SEL (Duratec Engine) and I drove a 300C (5.7). I'd say its a completely different vehicle, like comparing apples to oranges.
The 300C is a luxury sedan with a powerful 8-cylinder engine, whereas the Taurus is a mid-size entry level sedan (with mine having quite a few options), which I think is quite clear in list prices. A 300C starts at around $32k, and fully loaded can run close to $38k or $39k (which I think that for everything you are getting is an absolute bargain) whereas the Taurus runs about $26k fully loaded.
Both drive very differently, and each has their own pro's and cons, but they are two different vehicles...not even really in the same class.
Jul 08, 2004 (11:44 am)
Thank you for sharing the details of your accident. And I am glad that you survived so well. I'm also glad to hear how well the car held up as well as protecting you.
I've been considering a used Taurus as a commuter car because of the excellent crash test ratings. It's good to hear a real-world story backing up the tests. Frankly though, the other aspect that makes me lean Taurus-ward rather than Accord-ward is the much more rapid depreciation of the Taurus. It makes a used one a much more attractive economic decision.
PS. What happened to the related tongue-in-cheek post about the miserable, law-suit-happy mentality so prevalent in America today?
Jul 08, 2004 (5:08 pm)
dilbertzzz: the saga continues.
So armed with $12200, Edmunds.com and Cars.com invoice prices, cash rebates and dealer's incentives and having done research on the 2004 Taurus and Sable, wife and I stopped by at the nearest and friendliest Ford dealer.
We went to 2 Ford dealers and 1 Lincoln-Mercury dealer, and in each and every one of these show rooms we met the biggest scam artists, double talkers, layers, who were very good at bait and switch tactics. They tried to sell us the highest trims (Taurus'SES and SEL and Sable's LS)and charged us extra for sunroof and leather, which we didn't want any way but were willing to compromise. Also, none of these dealers honored the invoice prices from Cars.com and Edmunds.com. They came up with $3000 over invoice.
The second Ford dealer had several and 04 Tauri on the lot, which were former rentals. Price was $13000 with 26000 miles. They looked suspicious to me. My wife really liked these cars and tried hard to convince me to buy. I felt really quizzy about these cars, sensing that something was amiss. The used car manager with his patronizing attitude contributed to make me feel unsure regarding these cars. While the salesman followed me like a shadow and constantly talking to me trying to make me buy.
At one point while checking out one of the cars, I happened to open the glove box and pulled out the owner's manual. On the cover it said "This Taurus is a lemon, POS, gas guzzling crap return to godamn dealer". We walked the hell out of there!!!
I want to note that I was in real hurry to buy. This was Saturday and the following Monday I was returning my rental car to the rental company. My insurance company was doing me a favor and paid an extra 3 days for the rental. Usually when the owner's car is declared a total loss the insurer stops paying for the rental right of way. So we were very serious about buying a car right there and then. I didn't go with any kind of negative attitude to dealers and never wanted or expected the car for free. I was told, however, by the Lincoln-Mercury manager that they would want to make a minimum of $500 on the car. We felt that they wanted to make quite a bit more than that. But it's okay, they are entitled to make whatever they want on the cars they sell. I wasn't going to let them make a big profit on my expense.
I forgot to say that we also looked into buying rental a Taurus or Sable from the rental car company. On their web site they claim to subject every car to a through 109 point inspection and replace worn parts, etc. They also say that they clean their cars completely. They don't haggle on prices. For $11399 they had cars with 26000 miles on the odometer. The don't have the Duratech engine and some of the features I had in my Sable. I went armed with a list of things to check to find out whether the cars were in any kind of accident. Didn't notice anything.
While walking around the lot with the salesman I decided to elicit some more info. about their car refurbishing practices. So I sat in one car and I told the guy that the car smelled and didn't look all that clean to me. His reply was: "Sir, we run these cars through the car wash and vacuum them." Call me picky and difficult but I follow my instincts so I politely pulled my wife out of there and went home. By the way, the rental car I drove was an 03 Focus. Nice car.
#2908 of 3389 Re: Have 03 Sable.. Just drove a 300C [mettech]
Jul 08, 2004 (6:47 pm)
Why not compare it to a comparably priced base 300, not a 300C?
Jul 08, 2004 (7:48 pm)
Do your self a favor and check out a Lincoln LS. When it was time to replace our '96 Sable, the choice was a '03 Sable, of a pre-owned Lincoln. For me, it was a no-brainer. The LS is MUCH more car!! You should be able to find one a couple of years old, low miles for upper teens. Check ebay for going prices.
The 300 isn't in the same class as the Taurus/Sable. The Taurus/Sable are in the same class as the Accord, Camry, and Intrepid. The 300 is (supposed) to be a drivers car. The Sable/Taurus is a family "truckster". Don't get me wrong, we've had 4 Sables. They were good cars. for what they were. Essentially, FWD appliances.
#2910 of 3389 danielj6...there are really two type of "certified cars."
Jul 08, 2004 (8:16 pm)
There are dealer "certified" and Ford's blue oval certified. Since there are not any "standards" for what kind of "certifications" a car is supposed to go through, it is all a very shady area. However, if you go with a Ford backed certified car, it should be better. It should be said that a used car is just that "used." If you are not willing to make compromises on the condition of the car, you need to look at new. For example, buying my used 03 Galant ES, it had a very small "dimple" on the hood, and the front bumper, (air dam) on the bottom was scrapped just a little bit. This was the cleanest on the lot. I negotiated an excellent price for it and was happy. I purchased some body color touch up paint for the front bumper and was on my way. But, please if your that fussy buy new!
Jul 09, 2004 (6:06 am)
The Ford dealers in your area really sound bad. Can't say I have had the same response in Milwaukee. Maybe they need a good transfusion of Midwest civility!
Really, when I have bought both Tauri, I shopped about three or four dealers. Some were better than others but none seemed to be actual scumbags. I think it is largely the luck of the draw with any of them as there are good and bad salesmen working for the same dealer. I have ended up buying from the same dealer both times, and while the salesmen were not the most competent, they were civil and most importantly got down to the minimum price quickly, once they realized I was serious to buy and was well informed with good knowledge of invoice, holdback, rebates available, and I had already narrowed down my minimum requirements.
The service department has been absolutely outstanding, even though I use them sparingly, only for the few warranty and recall items I have had, and a few more major routine maintenance things such as transmission fluid changes.
As far as Lincoln LS is concerned, yes the base model is't much more expensive than a loaded Taurus or Sable and I woul consider one, but I believe danielj6 is looking for a wagon right?