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Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Sedan
#2860 of 3389 Tapping noise, follow-up
May 05, 2004 (3:08 pm)
It is follow-up to discussion started by msg #2614. Msg says:
"I did experience one peculiarity for which I took it back to the dealer: a prominent tapping noise from the engine when it's warmed up. The service writer told me that there is a technical service bulletin on that for 03s with the Duratec and mine was the third he had seen like that. According to the bulletin, the cause is camshaft bolts that were not torqued properly. They re torqued the bolts on mine and it's been fine since. If you notice tapping, get it back to the dealer while it's still under warranty, ASAP!"
My car is Sable 2002 with Duratec. I also noticed tapping noice when engine was at idle, the period of tapping is equal to rpm. At 20,000 service I asked dealer to fix the noice. They couldn't figure out the origin of noice. Yesterday I had a 30,000 miles service (pretty expensive one) at the same dealership and asked them again to fix the problem. This time they discovered before mentioned technical service bulletin (using hot line with Ford) and retorqued the camshaft. They told me that there was no damage to the engine. But who knows. Anyway, I have extended warranty up to 100,000 miles.
As a loaner they gave me '03 Ford Taurus with Duratec, rear spoiler and sunroof. It had a firmer suspention than my Sable LS Premium and behaved better on turns. Sirius sattelite radio sucks, so I turned off it after a while and turned on AM/FM. Interior looks and feels pretty cheap after my Sable. Esp leather substitute and dashboard plastic.
#2861 of 3389 Sable/Taurus-- Similarities/Differences?
May 05, 2004 (8:51 pm)
I've occasionally wondered about the exact differences between the Sable and the Taurus, specifically in the '00-'03 model years. I know, of course, that the outsides are styled differently, and I believe that the engines are the same/similar.....but what are the specific differences inside? I asked once at a Mercury dealership, and the salesman told me that the only differences were soundproofing against road noise and such (more in the Sable), and that the Sable trunk had an "organizer" of sorts in it. Does anybody know if this is really all there is?
#2862 of 3389 What Organizer ??
May 06, 2004 (10:13 am)
My 2003 Sable GS doesn't have any organizer in the trunk. Unless you mean the two trays on either side. I wouldn't really call them an organizer.
You might have to do some research here on what is included for each Taurus/Sable model. Check out the standard equipment here on Edmunds for each of the models. The cars are pretty similar. My GS plus included some extra options - power drivers seat, alloys, heated mirrors, CD, and a light-dimming rear-view mirror with a digital compass.
By the way, I love my car - looks great and it's very comfortable.
May 06, 2004 (10:47 am)
Interior is exactly the same except of badge on the steering wheel and all Sables have fake wood applique on dashboard and on gearshift tunnel, that makes it more cheerful. In LS Premium there is an organaizer in the trunk, cargo net. Typical Sable trim may have more features. Shocks may be tuned differently than Taurus for more comfortable ride. And there is nothing like Taurus SES with firmer ride.
#2864 of 3389 Re: ssartori [snowman #2857]
May 10, 2004 (11:34 am)
I think the oil leak seems to be coming from the (lower) main bearing seal. When I crawl under the car, between the Transmission and engine there is some kind of black plastic cover, seal that I guess keeps road dirt out of the area of the transmission and engine, When I move / flip the plastic cover to the side about 1/4 inch I can run my finger in the rear of the engine and feel oil there. Then from there as you drive I have a feeling that the wind moves it along the back of the oil pan and on to the two bolts that hold the oil pan to the engine. They did tighten down the oil pan bolts but still have the small leak...
Yupper been running 93 octane...
I got the form from AG office but decided to wait a few months, before I head down that road.
For the past 3 - 4 weeks I decided ok lets see, I'll try to call it "normal also. During lunch today I stopped by a Ford Dealer and looked at vans. I mentioned I just got done looking at Toyota Sienna's as I was very disappointed with Ford MC service The sales person said we'll take care of you.. Our service department is top notch. He directed me to the service department... I told the service rep about my situation / new engine/ and other Ford Dealer who wouldn't even look at it after he printed out the report. This service manager said no problem, we'll take the car in like there is no replacement engine, and I'll give it to a mechanic and he'll check for a leak. The original Mercury dealer I bought the car from was small 3 mechanics and a couple body shop guys. This is a large Ford Dealer.
Well I have an appointment for Wednesday morning, we'll see what happens.
It’s true, jasmith52, if it was a 19 year old Corvette, I wouldn’t bitch either. My fave car would be a 75-76 vette. I think a lot of it is this car is still our newest car. Yes, I have 3 months left on the loan. Our other car is the 96 Windstar, which is the one we’ll be getting rid of in the next few months. If the Sable was 8 years old and 80,000 miles I wouldn’t bitch either, but when you pay $700 for extended warrantee (it paid for it self with the new engine) and about 5 years old with 33K miles, that small oil leak will be a large oil leak about 3-6 months after all the warrantees have expired. We live in the North East and by the time the rust starts to show (about 7-8 years) that’s when the car can have a small normal oil leak.
I’ll keep you all informed
#2865 of 3389 Service Engine Light: Error P0401 and P1131
May 10, 2004 (2:59 pm)
History: Went to a service station to have my car checked because the service engine light was on.
Diagnosis: Replace oxygen sensors and EGR valve.
Since I try to do most of my own repairs, I replaced the upstream oxygen sensor, both downstream oxygen sensors and the EGR valve. Disconnected the battery to reset the service engine light-- light went out. 26 miles later that nasty engine light came back on.
Stopped at Auto Zone and they put the tester on for free, said it had an error code of P0401 and P1131. After a little discussion with the parts desk attendant I bought an EGR switch and bought something to put in the fuel.
Poured the gas additive in before I left, came home happy because I had more ammunition to fight that nasty engine light with-- and proceeded to replace the EGR switch. Disconnected battery terminal-- light went out. Drove car several times-- engine light came on-- screamed a few expletives-- came to edmunds.com.
Looking for suggestions and also to find out what the codes P0401 and P1131 might indicate is wrong with my vehichle.
99 Mercury Sable, 3.0 V6 DOHC
#2866 of 3389 Re: Service Engine Light: Error P0401 and P1131 [dashcraft #2865]
May 10, 2004 (6:45 pm)
I can almost guarantee you that p0401 (Insufficient EGR flow) is caused by your feedback pressure sensor. Up until 01, Ford was using aluminum sensor shell which was prone to corrosion and carbon collection. Due to high failure Ford came with the new generation. It is hard plastic shell. Dealer price is around $90. Installation is piece of cake. I would slow down on O2 sensors. Change your EGR valve first, use new gasket, reset PCM see what happens. To me you should nail this problem once and all. Change EGR and DPFE sensor. Reset PCM and see what happens. You didn't mention your mileage, your EGR might be well blocked by carbon too.
I think Taurus has 4 O2 sensors and each is around $50. Depending your mileage, you may need to replace them too. Their life span is around 90K.
#2867 of 3389 Windshield Defroster
May 15, 2004 (12:41 pm)
Thanks to those who responded to my Taurus/Sable differences question....Jasmith52, yes, the "organizer" was really just trays, but of course the salesman called it an organizer....still looked useful though.
On my 2002 SES, I've recently had trouble with my (front) windshield defogger. My windshield, while driving in rainy-type weather, will develop a flower like pattern of fog, even with the defogger on a high setting. Has anybody else had trouble with theirs or found it inadequate? It's not just insufficient in my opinion, but actually basically not working at all-- and a hazard in driving situations where I need it. I am taking my car in this week for some other warranty work, mainly a defunct CD player, so I was curious how I could convince them to replace it if it is defective, since they probably won't be able to "duplicate the problem." Any thoughts/ideas/similar problems? Also, if you have an '00-'03 and find it working much better than this, it would be helpful to know so that I am able to gauge whether it is a problem or typical of this defogger.
#2868 of 3389 STEREO, May 16, 2004 (1:06 pm)
May 16, 2004 (10:06 am)
I have a few questions about my 1997 Ford Taurus GL with the stock Ford 6-speaker AM/FM Cass/C.D.changer controls(no Changer in trunk) head unit..
1. What type of stock speakers brand and watts did Ford use front and rear for the 97 GL models?
2. Did Ford offer any hidden Subwoofer or AMP or just 6 speakers in the GL?
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
May 17, 2004 (4:41 am)
The air conditioning is turned on when you switch to defrost mode in order to take moisture out of the air. This also cools the air, so you are likely cooling the patch of windshield that is fogging, and getting condensation, probably on the outside of the glass due to the outside humid air. You need to mix in a bit of warm air using your temperature knob if you have the manual controls. If you have the automatic system, I can't help you, but there must be a way of warming the defrost air.