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Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Sedan
#2619 of 3389 re:Paint/Windows in '02 SES by chicagosky
Jan 06, 2004 (12:00 pm)
My wife's 2001 SEL has the same front window problem as you describe. My 89 Taurus wagon did the exact same thing!
My dealer is great and when I reported the problem to him he said that they'd probably just have to adjust the window stops. Problem...no stops. So he went to order a repair set from Ford. Problem?...Ford doesn't make them for the Taurus. They had a zone guy in to look at it and he had no solution either. Windows don't rattle or make any other kind of noise but just keep on going after they are closed! When I told my service manager that my 89 did the same thing he said that Ford was probably using the same window guts on her 2001 that they used on my 89!
What ever you do, DO NOT LET THEM LUBE THE WINDOW MECHANISM. My guys tried this and the result is that after I put a clean window up and down 3 or 4 times I end up with roller streaks on the glass!
#2620 of 3389 Replacing Headlight bulbs - Help!
Jan 06, 2004 (2:12 pm)
We purchased replacement bulbs for our 2002 Sable but we can't figure out how to replace them. There is no obvious approach. Any help would be appreciated.
Jan 06, 2004 (2:35 pm)
Since my oil pump was replaced all seems to be fine. Next week I'll put on approx. 1500 miles and that should be a good test but so far so good.
#2622 of 3389 Nightmare With Ford / Mercury ESP Follow Up #2258 & #2270
Jan 06, 2004 (3:48 pm)
Well Folks, it's been over a year since Mercury / Ford ESP replaced my engine in my 99 Sable and all is well. Car is running like a champ (knock on wood). No Oil leaks. Surprised that I still have to run 93 octane in the durotech engine. I live and drive on some steep hills and I always got an engine ping from day one even with the original engine. Thought with the new engine it would of corrected that issue. I tried running 87 & 89 octane in the first few fill ups of the new engine and it wasn't long (with in the fist couple weeks I had the knocks... Oh well. It runs great on 93... Just wanted to let people know.. So many times you read these posts and wonder if all these cars are lemons, instead you only hear from people when they have bad news never good..
Jan 06, 2004 (7:22 pm)
You need to implement two things. Use colder copper spark plugs (autolite 764 - If I am correct about model number...) and get your thermostat changed to 180 degree one. Stock is 195 degree and pinging is caused by high combustion chamber temperature. It is very rare that Duratec pings. THis is something that Vulcan engine does but anyway...
One thing that I wonder I thought Duratec engine came with knock sensor. If it is your car should not ping. I know that vulcans don't come with knock sensor.
#2624 of 3389 fdthird and chicagosky
Jan 07, 2004 (7:59 am)
I don't quite understand what you guys mean by the window still making a rolling noise after it is all the way up. What kind of noise do you hear, is it the normal noise the power window motors make when they are opening or closing the windows, or some other noise? If it is the motors continuing to try to drive the windows further closed after they already are closed, woundn't the motors overheat or pop a fuse or circuit breaker if they are still trying to drive the window further closed? There has to be some switch or some sensor not working properly for that malfunction to happen, I would think.
#2625 of 3389 Bought Taurus SES Deluxe
Jan 07, 2004 (9:23 am)
I've had a 97 contour (24 valve 5-speed) since 97' and put 165,000 trouble free miles (Amen to maintenance!). I recently looked at the Verona EX and was very impressed(acceleration issue way overblown - with traffic you CAN'T get 0-60 under 10 sec. anyway!).
Almost bought one, until on a whim I stopped at the local Ford dealer. He had in an Former Exec Taurus (2003 SES Deluxe) 17K miles with duratec, leather, moon roof, spoiler, mach stereo for 13,750. Car drove perfect, great ride, attractive exterior, nice pick-up and snarl, buttery tranny and comfy seating. Not sure how anyone could bash this car, it is great! I test drove a lot of mid-size cars and was impressed with most of them (exception - Impala) and the import buying crowd is missing the boat. For the price you cant come close to getting a comparably equipped import. This is a mature design and had all the kinks worked out. Because it is not the newest design, doesn't make it bad, only a very smart buy!
Jan 07, 2004 (12:01 pm)
The noise is the actual window pushing into the top of the rail. I guess all Tauri do not do this, but know for a fact that my 89 wagon, my father in laws 94 and my wife's 2001 all do the same thing.
#2627 of 3389 badgerfan and fdthird
Jan 07, 2004 (12:48 pm)
I would describe the noise just as fdthird does. It doesn't seem right-- it seems like there should be some kind of built-in stop mechanism. Plus, my back windows don't do it. I've taken it in before for the driver's window, and they fixed it but the remedy was only temporary, as that's what it's currently in for.
Badgerfan, could you possibly check your front windows next time you're in your car and let us know if they do the same? It's an odd problem. Rather small in the grand scheme of things, but something I'd like permanently fixed in my remaining 9K of warranty. If your windows do it, they will make all kinds of creaking noises even once they're all the way up.
Jan 07, 2004 (6:07 pm)
"a prominent tapping noise from the engine when it's warmed up. The service writer told me that there is a technical service bulletin on that for 03s with the Duratec and mine was the third he had seen like that. According to the bulletin, the cause is camshaft bolts that were not torqued properly."
zslick, did you mean you had heard this noise while driving in cabin, or you hear it outside of car when it is idling ?
Regarding pinging, there is no pinging on Duratec on regular.