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Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Sedan
Nov 21, 2002 (7:23 pm)
Current Taurus was redesigned in 1996 and in 2000 they made some changes in exterior, interior and safety equipment. I just read that Ford is starting new ad campain in TV and press to push Taurus. But it doesn't make it more competitive. They also said that Taurus will be kind of rental car and car for those who look for inexpensive midclass sedan. Real import fighters will be Ford 500, Freestyle and probably new Sable or whatever Mercury can provide. And Mazda 6 of course, LOL. As they said Taurus will be kind of smaller Crown Vic, probably means platform will never be changed again. Does Taurus deserve to be treated like that?
Nov 21, 2002 (7:45 pm)
Yes, I know. I have had an '86, '88, '91 and my favorite, a '96. The reason I didn't get a 2000 was I got a Lincoln LS. The LS is light years ahead of the Sable!!
Nov 22, 2002 (10:38 am)
Congratulations. LS is a very nice car, I would like to buy one, but it is too expensive for me. Mercury brand has been cheapened too much, they have to make it upscale again, so folks like me who wants something more upscale and refined than Ford can buy it. It should be a little smaller, more sportier, modern engine and transmission please, and better interior workmanship. I would pay a couple grands more for that. Who don't want to pay exstra can buy Ford, right? Price difference about $500 between Ford and similar Sable is ridiculous IMHO. Something was very wrong in Fords management when they made decisions.
So rumors were new Sable will be based on Mazda 6. Previously they said it would be Mondeo what is a better platform, but Mazda 6 is also okay for me, it probably is less expensive platform than Mondeo, but a little bigger and in American style. I don't want Sable to be another Passat clone like Mondeo or Altima.
Nov 22, 2002 (12:35 pm)
LS is really not in the same price or class range as Taurus/Sable--and is definitely more than most people can afford especially in a new car. LS was meant to make inroads into the entry/midlevel luxury sports sedan-not the mainstream family sedan market.
I still maintain, that for a mainstream midsize car with at least decent performance when equipped with the Duratec, current Taurus is hard to beat. Name another brand, domestic or import. where you can get a 200 HP DOHC V-6 family size car pretty well equipped new for under $20K out the door? Not from Toyota, not from Nissan, not from GM, maybe from DC and of course yes from the Koreans.
I will agree that Ford could stand to go upscale with the Mercury brand perhaps using European Ford designs to delineate it from Ford brand in the US, but you gotta remember the bulk of the consumers still aren't going to be able to pay $30K for a car.
Upsetter1, what is wrong with the current Taurus/Sable interior that needs revising? Gimmicky white gauges with orange/red contrasting lights? Or fake brushed aluminum/platinum trim, fake wood accents etc? Isn't the plastic plush enough for you? You want "gathered" fabric inserts on the doors-the rolling bordello look? Gotta have NAV system because you can't read a map or road signs? I prefer a no nonsense but functional interior, and Taurus Sable has that with no squeaks or rattles in mine even on the roughest roads.
Nov 22, 2002 (2:45 pm)
Nothing wrong actually. They are using high quality materials (for that segment) and interior is desined pretty nice and I like it more than new Camry. In Taurus though pod is has too much black plastic what makes it look too downscale. Also if you pay close attention to details you will see there are lot of seams, gaps etc visible, it is not done with the same workmanship as a Camry or Accord (but better than GM< Chrysler or Nissan anyway). But compared to older 1994 Taurus that I still own it is a much more refined car, light years ahead. But they still have a room for improvement, Mercury, at least, must come to be known as the best in class - trendsetter, as Taurus used to be in the past.
Nov 23, 2002 (4:31 pm)
We own a 2000 Sable ls premium, with 200hp duratec engine. Our engine light has been going on and off for a week now.
The car has 20k miles it is driven to the train station daily, about 4 miles each way.
It has never been driven hard, yet when we took our car to the dealer Thursday they told us there were some serious problems with our car. They offered a free loaner but were not too clear in explaining what was wrong with the car. All they say that it is a good thing that the warranty still applies, and if we had to pay for the repairs that it would cost in excess of $3000.
The car has always run well except when the engine light was on,then the car ran rough as if the engine needed a major tune-up and in one occasion it actually shut off.
Has anyone experienced similar problems.I almost get the feeling that I must rid myself of this vehicle once it is returned to us.
thanks for any information.
Nov 23, 2002 (8:05 pm)
Your driving is the worst type of driving you can do to an engine. The engine doesn't get a chance to warm up and burn off moisture. The oil will get gooey with the added moisture. The plugs will foul. Gas will gel. Do yourself (and the motor) a favor. Take it out on the freeway (or go for a "Sunday drive") for at least an hour (at 65mph+) or so at least once a month and let the motor do what it was created to do. It isn't the cars fault, it is the environment it is trying to live in.
#1862 of 3389 Fully Loaded New 2003 Taurus SEL Premium $21K
Nov 24, 2002 (8:49 pm)
I just saw the new 2003 Taurus commercial on TV. It looked pretty good with the leather and real wood trim on the steering wheel.
I priced it out on the Ford website at about $27,000 fully loaded (except rear spoiler).
Then I went to CarsDirect.com and after the $2000 rebate, and regional discounts that gave credit toward free moonroof and free leather, it priced out at just under $21K plus tax. That's Hyundai Sonata cheap!
If I were to buy one, I would go for the best PremiumCare Ford factory 6 year/100,000 extended warranty with $0 deductible. That would add somewhere around another $2000 to the price. $23,000 still looks decent for a fully loaded car with leather, moonroof, Mach stereo, power everything and no repair cost worries for 6 years etc..
Too bad that it will only be worth $10,000 after 3 years.
#1863 of 3389 Response 1807
Nov 25, 2002 (3:58 am)
The gas will gel? I've stored gasoline for my lawnmower for 4.5 months. Trust me it doesn't gel. I'm sure this individual is refueling at least once a month. For one thing the post talks about (1806) 3k worth of repair and can't describe what has taken place. If something that major happened to my car you better believe I'd know what was wrong!
#1864 of 3389 Highway Mileage-Duratec
Nov 25, 2002 (5:36 am)
Gave my 2000 SES a good highway workout this weekend-572 miles almost all interstate at about 71 MPH there with a strong headwind and on return on good semi-freeway conditions-mostly 4 lane with some 2 lane (different route home) at about 65 MPH average and with about 30 degree F outside temperatures both ways. Got 27.2 miles per gallon. I could easily see how we could get 28-29 highway under better conditions. Passed 20K miles this weekend still running perfect.