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Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Sedan
Feb 15, 2002 (12:17 pm)
teo I think that the reason that Impala performs better is that Taurus is a 1996 platform. Tausurs has a good handling and comfortable ride, but it is not sport sedan, is just family car. Vulcan is just anemic old engine and should be dropped. Toyotas i-4 feels more v-6 than Vulcan. I have all four disk brakes with ABS on my '94 Taurus. When I first drove Taurus I found brakes to be too soft, but now it is okay I just got used to it.
Toyota and Accord just feel too small (and bland). I don't like small cars for everyday long commute. Taurus story shows that good styling in American cars is important. Also transmission issues hurted Ford much. I feel uncomfortable when think about my Taurus transmission. I would buy GM car if they had better interiors, more refined design (means like Oldsmobile) and build quality for the same price as Taurus.
Feb 15, 2002 (12:27 pm)
After spending sometime with the '02 Taurus SE, I came away thinking it wasn't a bad family sedan at all. I am not comfortable with Ford's track record with the Taurus and possibly the worst resale value of any domestic midsized sedan.
I still don't understand why the car mags gush all over the Camry and Accord when the *American* counterparts offer more room, safety, style and features for the money.
I have owned 6 Accords. Been there and done that,
Feb 15, 2002 (12:37 pm)
And thats why I like buying 1-2 year old used Sable. It is a great deal! Prices for certified used Toyotas are ridiculous. I would better buy a new car than 2-3 year old for almost the same price. I think people are buying Hondas and Toyotas to have a peace in mind. I don't have right now a peace in mind with my Taurus, but like style and comfort more. Americans are lazy compared to Europeans, they are ready to sacrifice style just not to maintain the car (and get a sludge LOL).
#1392 of 3389 I have the wagon not the sedan but...........
Feb 15, 2002 (5:48 pm)
Let me put my 2 cents in. I own a 2000 Sable wagon purchased new. I haven't had, so far, problems with it except for a misaligned lift gate which the dealer repaired.
The Duratec engine is really the most salient feature. It's roomy for cargo. Three adults fit well in the back seat with good head and leg room.
In front, 3 people dont't fit comfortably nor is it designed for that. The middle seat is for a shotgun passenger, mainly a child. I have the rearmost or third seat in the back which I never needed to use.
The tranny feels fine to me and so do the ABS brakes. The steering, to use another reader's words, feels rubbery and disconnected from the road. I miss head rests on second seats.
Ford made a good product and should improve upon it to compete better with Accord and Camry.
#1393 of 3389 upsetter1 re: fordpreowned
Feb 21, 2002 (5:52 am)
Sorry this reply is late. Been out and about away from a PC...
Have you visited the site? They have a lot of the answers there. At any rate, maybe I can help. When I bought our car, you got (and the website explicitly said so) any balance of the Ford factory warrantee (3 years, 36,000 miles), with added coverage so that you got at least 12 months/12,000 miles warrantee. Since our car was 25 months old and had 11,000 miles on it, we got 11 months and 25,000 miles on the factory warrantee, and Ford added a month.
I see now that they offer a 6 year/75K warrantee on the powertrain and other major components. The only thing not clear to me is whether the Ford factory warrantee still applies, though I wouldn't think it would be legal to drop that if the car is still within the 3/36 when the purchase is made.
The price listed is what you pay. No more, no less, no haggling. It's usually a very good price, in our case, $1400 under the Edmunds 'certified pre-owned' price for a car with that mileage and options. Some of the other models may be closer to the Edmunds price, but they still seem to be a good and fair deal. The dealer acts as an agent for Ford, who apparently must pay them something for the sale. Our dealer had (in August, 2000, when we got the car) done dozens of the pre-owned sales (in the Boston area) and was very familiar with the process. If you noticed in the dealer list, not all dealers in your area will participate, and I suspect that is because some refuse to deal with this process for whatever reason.
We bought an extended warrantee because we drive around 20,000 miles annually. I'd have to look up the exact cost, but we felt (due to the loaded nature--power items, etc.--of the car) that the Ford plan we got from the dealer (low pressure, too) was a good deal. The car is covered for 4 years and/or up to 100,000 miles for darn near everything in the car but wear items, upholstery, and glass. I think the price was somewhere around $1400. In our case, we got such a good deal on the car itself, it was worth putting that (which is about the price differential between our price and a 'typical' price) into the warrantee. They asked and we accepted (having thought about it beforehand). But it was a low-pressure question we were asked.
The only items you deal directly with the dealer on are the financing (though Ford will often have interest rate deals on the pre-owned cars for those interested) and any of the extended warrantees and other 'business office' items (car alarms, etc.). Our dealer was terrific, and of course, that could vary. If you want only the car, you pay the dealer the cost on the website plus state-required things like registration, taxes, etc.
Hope that was some help. It really was a painless experience. Feel free to ask any other questions, and I'll try to answer.
By the way, on the other thread--my car has a Vulcan engine and the AX4N transaxle, with 36,000 miles now. Absolutely no transmission hiccups, odd behavior, etc. It shifts crisply and firmly when I stick my foot in it and when I drive sedately. Just keep the fluid and filter changed at required intervals (30,000 miles for my '98) and you should be fine. Chrysler products had problems with their transmissions, and a lot of the trouble was due to neglected fluid changes. The Taurus/Sable is apparently the same way.
Feb 21, 2002 (9:13 am)
Thanks Ed for detailed answer. I'm keeping an eye on website to get a right color, options and price. Website is well done esp comparing with Toyota and GM. Is like visiting dealer and seeing vehicle.
At least there is no sludge problem with Vulcan.
#1395 of 3389 More on Ford Pre-owned
Feb 22, 2002 (4:47 am)
I just remembered that there's now another way to see certified pre-owned Ford products. It's at www.fordcpo.com. That site has lists of cars available at dealerships (in those dealers' own inventories) that have been certified by the dealer on the criteria Ford has put out for being 'certified.' That's available to anyone with a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealer near them.
The original website I mentioned (www.fordpreowned.com) is an older program. The cars are held by Ford in central locations in those 5 metro areas, and are listed and sold by Ford through participating dealers. There was no 'certified preowned' program when we bought our car, but now that there is, Ford synched their fordpreowned.com with the certification program the individual dealers use (that must have been when the warrantee term change I mentioned in my post above happened). The main difference here is that the certified cars are for sale by dealers at prices set by the dealers, and the usual dealmaking applies. The Ford Preowned cars have set no-haggle prices and are sold only through the 'net by Ford Motor Company with a dealer as the delivery and sales agent.
These are my impressions of the two programs, and I am not associated at all with Ford, so I might not be totally correct. But I should be somewhere close...
Feb 22, 2002 (8:59 am)
It seems that my MPV has Ford's 3L Duratec engine. Can anybody give me the model of that engine? Is there only one 3L Duratec? Any thoughts in general about this engine?
#1397 of 3389 2002 MPV- KCZmudzin
Feb 22, 2002 (2:55 pm)
I am not familar with the Duaratec but it is my understanding that it has a timing "belt" unlike it's sister the 3.0L Vulcan- which has a timing "chain".
Feb 22, 2002 (4:17 pm)
Is a 24-valve, Dual-Over-Head-Cam (DOHC), 200 horsepower, 200 ft lbs torque engine. The only thing it shares with the Vulcan is the use of regular gas. IIRC, even though they are both listed as 3 liters, the Vulcan is 181 cubic inches and the Duratec, 183. The engines are vastly different.