Last post on May 23, 2013 at 6:30 AM
You are in the Dodge/Plymouth Neon
What is this discussion about?
Dodge Neon, Plymouth Neon, Sedan
#699 of 1773 Update on my 2000 Neon.
Jun 13, 2001 (1:00 pm)
Hello all. I changed my name on the board here, it used to be theliz (although none of you probably remember).
Well, I bought a Neon in Feb. 2000 and said I would keep you informed, so here we go:
It currently has alittle over 35,000 miles on it (almost out of warranty--yikes!), it is an automatic ES, with all the luxuries and goodies added. I live in NC near Charlotte (hilly region before you get to the mountains).
Pros and cons:
There really is'nt a whole lot to say, but I'll point out some problems first.
1) I had to take it to Dodge to fix the driver's window seal. The seal let air in and the noise was rather bothersome (especially on the highway). Dodge fixed the seal and now there's no problem there.
2) The seats are okay for short trips but they get uncomfortable after about 4 hours of driving. Not "agonizingly uncomfortable" but you have to fidget with the seat alot.
3) I really wish it had a 4-speed tranny--but i knew what i was buying so I can't really complain. My wife and I just drove from NC to New Mexico and back and the Neon had no problems making it over the Smokey Mountains, and we cruised at about 70-80mph the whole trip. but it would have been easier on the engine with a 4-speed tranny.
4) Sometimes the truck will not open. I use the key-fob and I hear it click, the trunk-lid raises slightly but not all the way. I then push the lid down and use the key-fob again and it opens (sometimes it takes a couple of times). I have not taken it to Dodge for this problem yet but I'll get them to look at before the warranty runs out.
5) Often I get a static-electricity zap when exiting the car. Not a big deal and maybe it's the seat covers? It's worse in the winter of course.
Well, that's about all the bad news. There has no engine or tranny problems at all (knock on wood).
The good news:
Very smoothe ride (except in Arkansas--the roads there are even worse than South Carolina's).
Terrific AC. It get cool very quickly and the defroster/defogger works great. The fan is alittle loud at maximum speed.
Wipers had no problems even in a monsoon-like downpour in Memphis.
No problems passing folks on the highway (especially those slow texans) but the car seemed most comfortable at 70mph and sounded alittle strained at 80mph. But it is a 4-cylinder after all.
The cruise control was worth the price 100% (except in Texas--they drive sooo slow).
The stereo and CD player are terrific too.
Well, that's all for now. I'll let you guys know what's up at 50,000 miles.
Picturethis (aka theliz).
Jun 13, 2001 (1:46 pm)
If you have thought about buying a Chrysler product, do yourself a favor, DON'T. My '95 Neon that I purchased new has 62,000 miles on it and is going downhill fast. The car is in impecible condition for the most part, but I just can't keep up with the internal problems. The oil is changed EVERY 3,000 miles and fluids checked religiously. But when the head gasket goes at 60,000 and the dealer tells me that it is normal for a head gasket to go at 60,000 I could not belive my ears. I told him that if this is Chrysler's idea of quality it stinks.
That is the last Chrysler product that I will ever buy.
Jun 13, 2001 (10:49 pm)
The head gasket problem has been well documented by thousands of Neon owners for models before 1998 and D/C should have no problem paying for the fix. Your problem may be with your dealer and not DC after all.
Now other than the head-gasket you state you have had no problems at all for over 50,000 miles.
So, based on the one head gasket problem (which does'nt even affect the 2000 models) you will never buy a D/C vehicle again?!?
Well, I once had a 1986 Toyota Corolla that had some problems with the brakes...should I never buy a Toyota again?
This makes no sense at all.
Besides, a 1995 model with only 65,000 miles? I'm sure you can sell it with no problem.
#702 of 1773 picturethis
Jun 14, 2001 (8:05 pm)
I've heard that the static electricity problem is something that has to do more with the materials they're using to make tires nowadays than the cars.
My first car was an 84 Pontiac 6000 (indeed, I was the envy of my entire high school) and that thing used to zap me EVERY time I closed the door. In fact, it got to be so annoying that I just dreaded closing the door with my hand, so I'd use my sneaker instead.
I used to think it was some type of electrical problem (God knows the car had enough of those), but my next car, an Isuzu, was almost as bad. And I think my last co. car, a 2001 Grand Prix was even worse.
If you really find it bothersome, not touching the car (except with your shoe) after your foot hits the pavement is my technique. This seems like the best option if you've got a rental or co. vehicle, in my opinion.
They also make a little strap (so I've heard) that hangs down from the car body and touches the pavement. Apparently, this doesn't let the car build a static charge while you're driving around.
#703 of 1773 who would buy it?
Jun 16, 2001 (7:39 pm)
who would buy a 95 Neon. The dealers here eyes glaze over when you drive in to ask and they reply those earlier model are too hard to move. My gasket has gone, things are constantly seeping; the left wheel actually froze up last winter and
had to drive it like that to a service center.. There are some awful fumes drifting into the cabin of the car, and they can't figure out what it is. . Looks great on the outside; how can I wish this disaster on anyone.
Jun 16, 2001 (7:54 pm)
Perhaps Consumer Reports relies on something when they send out the surveys about cars. A little something called honesty. Perhaps they hope that people will talk about cars that they still own.
Not having seen the survey, I don't know how they address the potential for abuse.
Has anyone on this board actually participated in the survey and can tell us if there is anything that addresses this?
#705 of 1773 snowman/buoyant
Jun 17, 2001 (7:43 am)
i agree with both of your posts - especially about how biased/un-reliable consumer reports surveys are - i love how you can have 20 categories - 15 red - 4 half red - 1 clear and give it a black mark !!! - always with amercian cars,too - wonder how they can come up with that average - some kind of weight huh -
and snowman - i have a friend who only drives hondas - her first had 2 trannies and 1 engine replaced in 30k. her 2nd one - a 2000 model - tranny replaced, ac never works right - 25k - swears by them - didn't seem to bother her having her car out of service for 3 months. so i know just what you mean
#706 of 1773 How they come up with a black check
Jun 17, 2001 (8:52 am)
I have an issue of Consumer Reports that talks about how they come up with the red, black, or no check mark, but it is about as undecipherable as a user's guide translated into English from another language.
Actually, no check mark is worse than the black check mark. Red means better than average overall reliability. Black means average overall reliability. No check mark means worse than average overall reliability.
Jun 17, 2001 (7:47 pm)
What car ever has a used car salesman just drooled over when you drive up, just begging to pay top dollar and take it in on trade? You are living in some kind of fantasy land if you think those trained professionals are going to do anything but downplay your trade to give you bottom dollar no matter what you come in with. I got exactly what edmunds said my neon was worth from a dealer on trade and paid what edmunds said should be private party retail for what I was buying. They sold my neon within a week and they were asking $2500 more then what they gave me for it. Fixing your head gasket will only cost between $300 and $500. If your 95 is low miles and clean like you say there will be no problem selling it for the numbers posted by Edmunds. Don't worry about future owners, the majority of neon owners really like their cars and the chances of another headgasket failure on the new design is very small. I sold my Jeep Grand Cherokee a few weeks ago and during an inspection the buyer paid for they found it had cracked CV boots on the front, the estimate to repair was $600. This is more then replacement of a neon's headgasket but it didn't deter the buyer from wanting the Jeep. I just came down $500 on the price to compensate and the new buyer can get the CV joints fixed when they start making noise. Everybody was happy.
#708 of 1773 Consumer Reports, prejudice
Jun 18, 2001 (7:20 am)
I agree that C/R's rating system is not very accurate. As others have commented, in their view, if it's a U.S. brand, it automatically has two strikes against it, whether it is a car or another product. And yes, the survey is easy to manipulate and is less than reliable. I've read C/R for more years than I care to remember, and I've noted that they aren't very realistic in a number of ways, but the one that bothers me most is their propensity to ignore reasonably priced equipment that I can afford to buy, leaning toward the high end stuff. I think this, plus the price creep for the subscription, has gradually created an audience of "effete snobs" as Spiro Agnew once described. Thus there is a real prejudice among many of them toward any ordinary American product, particularly cars.
One other observation: Most buyers of Chevies, Fords, Dodges, etc. only take their cars back to the dealer for problems or maybe oil changes, whereas a lot of foreign car owners follow the recommended regular service schedule religiously at their dealership. As a result, they become accustomed to paying out hundreds of dollars every time they visit a dealer. So you talk to a Civic owner who had to pay out $500 to replace a head gasket, and to him it's routine. By contrast, the Neon owner who never sees the dealer until he needs a head gasket says it's a piece of junk because it cost him $500.