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#939 of 3244 2002 Crown Vic by jsylvester Jun 09, 2001 (7:34 am)
Our fleet manager got the 2002 catalogue in the mail, and the 02 CV indicates it has 6 inches more room in the back seat. I believe they stretched the platform ala Town Car this year.   Question, is all CV's for 2002 being stretched, or are they building a short and long platform next year?   What are the changes for the new 2003 redesign?
#940 of 3244 gift0025 by sergeis Jun 11, 2001 (7:38 am)
I have same '95 GM. The only electrical problem was tape quality, replaced under warranty. I have also replaced front brakes and all 4 tires recently. Car still looks like new inside and out, drives great, though my '81 CV was smoother and quiter until age 15, then its engine started to produce some noise. I guess there is something wrong with the window driving circuit - did you blow the window motors? I would check the driving voltage, might be too high. I don't know the circuit, it might have some "constant current/voltage" or something, which would include some chip or transistors, perhaps a switching current/voltage stabilizer, those thing can produce more voltage when they start to oscillate due to bad feedback. One may need an oscilloscope to test it, simple tester will only pick an average voltage.
#941 of 3244 Whew! - by harmar Jun 13, 2001 (8:31 am)
Just finished reading all the posts here. Whew!   I just upgraded from a '99 Sable to '00 GM program car (16K). So far, I'm very impressed. Much quieter than the Sable, and more stable in (side) windy conditions. I've noticed a little front wheel/steering jiggling over RR tracks, for example. Has anyone installed Bilstein shocks on their GM? If so, what are your experiences? Worth the swap? (I put them on a small motorhome, and the difference was amazing.)   Also, my first mileage check was 23 mpg with most of that being around town. That's as good as I was getting on the Sable! (I don't run races from stop lights or drive it hard.)   Thanks for any help.
#942 of 3244 Electric Window Failures by gift0025 Jun 13, 2001 (3:37 pm)
All of the electric window failures have been due to a part called the "regulator assembly." No motors have failed. Very few independent repair shops will tackle this job and apparently cannot get the part except from Ford. Two hours of labor are routinely charged plus the cost of the part plus a surcharge for shop rags, screws, chemicals, etc.
#943 of 3244 Window Regulator Repair by 427435 Jun 13, 2001 (4:49 pm)
I had to repair the driver's door window on my '93 Marquis last year. The regulator cost about $75 and the worst part of the repair is getting the trim panel off the door. I can't remember for sure, but you may need to drill out a rivet on the window lift mechanism and replace it with a short bolt.
#944 of 3244 electric windows by sergeis Jun 14, 2001 (6:34 am)
Obviously those garage guys are not familiar with electronics. I am sure anyone familiar with electronic circuit and basic knowledge in electronics could pinpoit your problem easily. Does the same circuit drive all windows? Does it fail at the moment when you actually move one of the windows? Is it always the same window? Is it constant voltage or constant current regulator? Obviously the regulator is OK, and it burns because of something else, it might be abusive load (motor takes too much current, something wrong with it, or there is an occasional shortcircuit in wires, though the circuit must have electronic protection for that), or the power which comes to the circuit is not normal. If it is under computer control (most probable), then the computer program itself may abuse it by continuing powering window while it has reached the limit. Anyway, the circuit is not the problem. It is like keeping replacing flat tire while your garage floor is full of loose nails.
#945 of 3244 gift0025 by sergeis Jun 14, 2001 (6:38 am)
My previous message was for gift0025.
#947 of 3244 Window Regulator by 427435 Jun 14, 2001 (4:41 pm)
Sergeis, you may know electronics but not Ford's terminology for power window components. The device that failed in my power window, that Ford called a "Regulator", wasn't electrical. The part was a drum with a steel cable wrapped around it and the cable was kinked and not tracking on the drum. Yes, it was driven by an electric motor but the motor wasn't the problem. When I told the partsman what I needed, he said, "Oh yes, you need a regulator assembly." He left me with the impression that he had seen this problem before.
#948 of 3244 by sergeis Jun 15, 2001 (7:27 pm)
I see. It is just that I still had no problems with GM '95, didn't need to learn Ford's terminology. Hope to keep it this way.

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