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#930 of 3244 2001 gm various comments by bruneau Jun 02, 2001 (1:35 pm)
I have a gm with the handling package. While this set up corners better, there is a price to pay in ride and mileage. You have to take your choice. I notice rather thumpy downshifts to second when accelerating from 25-30 miles per hour in traffic. I don't like that. Anyone else notice it? Also, the cd changer in the trunk skips too easily. My car is chestnut metallic and beautiful- I guess I can forgive a few false notes.
#931 of 3244 Plastic Manifolds by 427435 Jun 02, 2001 (7:51 pm)
I'm sorry mrf, but I don't think manifolds are something you should have to worry about when traveling (and I don't care at what mileage or age). There's enough other stuff that is electrical or actually moving that can go wrong (and will after warranty and before 150,000 miles) without Ford adding their manifold to the list. I wonder if the few $ that were saved by a plastic manifold vs the aluminum manifold that were on earlier 4.6's was enough to pay for the recalls and bad will?   The best cars in the world (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus) have rear wheel drive and most have a V-8. With a little effort and not too much cost, Ford could turn the Crown Vic and Marquis into great cars---not what they are now!
#932 of 3244 Re: Plastic Manifolds by mrf Jun 03, 2001 (4:37 am)
I agree, you shouldn't have to worry about a manifold failing, but there are 2 points I'd like to make.. 1) Whether anybody likes it or not, plastic/resin/ceramic engine parts are the wave of the future and here to stay and 2) The point I was trying to make is: There are lots of potential high-mileage failures to contend with : suspension parts, wheel bearings, u-joints, alternators, p/s pumps, radiators, heater cores, water pumps, various emissions parts, plus the usual brakes, tires, shocks... the list goes on. So, when I bought this car I was not aware of the manifold controversy... now I am... Point is, if it fails, and nothing or not much else of the usual stuff busts, no biggy to me... its all a balancing act in terms of overall expense involved. In other words, for me, my main concern is OVERALL maintenance costs... yours may be different... that's ok.   When I purchased this car, I did it solely because I wanted something large, safe, quiet (anyone who has had a Honda knows they aren't), comfortable, mechanically simple with a good reliability record, preferably rear-drive and inexpensive.. So what were my choices..? Yes, I could buy a Merc, BMW, Lexus if I wanted too, but they are neither inexpensive to buy or maintain in a high-mileage per-year scenerio or mechanically simple ... not a practical use of my money, in my opinion.   Seems, that because of the manifold, I may have taken a big risk, eh? Well, so be it... my experience so far does not bear that out. If the risk bothers you, and rightly so, perhaps, I encourage you to shop elsewhere...   .... I can still remember that I was somewhat disturbed when they started putting plastic exterior rear-view mirrors on cars... 'what cheap junk, said I'...
#933 of 3244 93 vs 2001 seats by kingfishgus Jun 06, 2001 (5:37 am)
I have a 93 GM GS and a 2001 GM GS, standard seats in both, and the seats are vastly different. The 93 still feels better after 120K miles. I don't mind the driver seat in the 2001 that much, but the passenger seat is awful. When I sit in it for extended periods it smashes flat and I can feel the sensor between my legs (please no jokes here, althought I know it is tempting). It sits alot lower as well, compared to the power drivers seat. I wish there was some way to modify that seat. I didn't try an LS passenger seat for a long ride, so I don't know if swapping my GS for LS seats would make a difference. Also, at some point during 2001, the GS seat specs changed to include a standard lumbar support for the passenger side. I wonder if any other changes were made at that time to the passenger side. Have had my 2001 since Dec and it only has 900 miles on it. Like my 93 with 120K better. 93 rides better, sits better, has better arm rests on the seats, and I can punch the radio buttons without leaning forward. The 2001 has a little more power, is quieter, and had a better radio although it is still a lousy sound system.
#934 of 3244 Seat construction by tpken Jun 06, 2001 (7:45 am)
kingfishgus - ask your dealer what local upholstery shop he recommends for adjusting your seat. These shops are used to fixing seat complaints for customers and most likely can make yours quite comfortable by adding additional padding that will raise the seat height etc. I looked into this for the 00 Bonneville I bought to replace my 1990 GM when I couldn't get comfortable. It's feeling better these days so I haven't had the $150 or so job done yet but it's still a possibility. Good luck. Ken
#935 of 3244 fast by warzonectx Jun 07, 2001 (12:55 am)
how fast can the ford Crown Victoria go.can is go 120. and is the Crown Victoria chain drivin or belt drivin if so email me or post it.and my name is matt.my email is warzonectxyahoo.com
#936 of 3244 Seat Construction by samuelg Jun 07, 2001 (5:40 am)
Kinsfishgus,   Read my notes above. I have investigated & researched the seats ad nauseum. I have the expolded dwgs from the parts guy at dealership, and just seeing the construciton of the '93 vs 2001 seat, you won't be surprised.   I had more cushioning & foam modifications done one week into owning my car, based upon the recommendation of my dealer. Cost me almost $500, and was not a good experience. I'm very picky, and soon learned I'd have to make my own changes. But I did learn how to take apart the seat easily without removing it from the car. This is key.   Around Oct, Ford made a change to the upholstry from the flat to the squared design, similar to the LS. They offered to swap my old seat for a new one if I liked. I did not do this. You may want to try this approach with your dealer.   I DID buy a '93 seat from a junk yard, hoping to either use it's internal parts in the 2001 seat, or simply install the '93 into my new car. It kinda was dirty & cigarette smelly, so choose to use the lower seat spring coils from the 93 & added them to my 2001. I did a bunch of other stuff to relieve the "hump between your legs" feeling. What you feel is a solid slab of sheetmetal, no sensor. This has made the seat more comfortable, but I may have gone too far and now it may be too soft. I know this because I now have newly discovered back pain. Arg! I'm now dickering with it to try & get it just right.   I'm very close to giving up & buying another car. This is not a pleasant experience. I wish I had my old '93 Sable. Ergonomically, it was perfect. Unfortunately, the head gaskets & brakes weren't. I'm learning you can fix those much more easily than a seat. It's crazy, I know.   If you want more info, you can e-mail me off-line at CLGSMattglobal.net   SamG
#937 of 3244 Seat Construction by samuelg Jun 07, 2001 (9:46 am)
Oops, typo. My ID is CLGSMGattglobal.net   SamG
#938 of 3244 Electric Windows on Grand Marquis by gift0025 Jun 09, 2001 (7:30 am)
'95 Mercury Grand Marquis with failure of 5 electric windows in 5 years. One failure covered under warranty. Paid for the other 4 for a total cost of about $1600. Every electric window in the car has failed once and the driver's side window has failed twice.The windows are not operated excessively. Is this experience similar to most owner's experience?
#939 of 3244 2002 Crown Vic by jsylvester Jun 09, 2001 (7:34 am)
Our fleet manager got the 2002 catalogue in the mail, and the 02 CV indicates it has 6 inches more room in the back seat. I believe they stretched the platform ala Town Car this year.   Question, is all CV's for 2002 being stretched, or are they building a short and long platform next year?   What are the changes for the new 2003 redesign?

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