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#923 of 3244 Good buys on GM by dwight53 May 26, 2001 (10:05 pm)
Dealer is offering invoice with $2000 rebate and $500 loyalty discount.
#924 of 3244 re steering wheel vibration by carzfan May 26, 2001 (11:12 pm)
That is part of what I was saying about the hard, jittery ride in the 2001 GM with the perf and handling package. Not only was the ride bumpy but yes, you could feel every little bump through the steering wheel too. Tried lower tire pressure and that did not help much, certainly not enough.
#925 of 3244 All this belly aching with the 2001 GM by samuelg May 29, 2001 (9:20 am)
Folks,   For all my belly aching about my 2001 GM with the offset seats & erongomic shortcomings, I have not experienced the steering wheel vibration problem. Mechanically, the car seems to handle (P&H package is a must) rather well for such a large boat. I have to admit that the gas mileage is horrible with the P&H. I get around 15 city, 21 highway. I could be driving an SUV with this kind of MPG.   I did successfully reengineer the drive seat to be in-line with the steering wheel. The misalignment at drove me crazy. But the fix is not for the faint-hearted. I also rebuilt the cushioning in the seat to make it softer. If you look at the older seat design (1993) vs the 2001, you can easily see why the newer seat is firmer/harder/hurts my toosh! In the newer models, 1/2 of the seat is spring, the rest is sheetmetal. The older seats are all spring suspension. Most people don't notice this, but my boney-butt hurt too much. I admit this is a unique problem I have. I loved the Avalon when I checked it out last year, but the seats were way too hard. Now with all my seat reengineering experience, I may give it another try.   I have been fairly miserable for the 7 months I've owned this car. I too was very unhappy with it from day 3 of ownership. I'm giving it 1-2 more months to see if my latest seat redesign is comfy. You can't tell I did anything b looking at it- all the changes have been under the inner foam. The upholstry is identical to factory. I'f I'm not happy by the end of June, I will sell this car and face the financial hit. Unfortunately, my family, as passengers, loves this car. Figures....   SamG
#927 of 3244 SUV Sales Are Down!! by 427435 May 30, 2001 (7:00 pm)
The Wall Street Journal reported tonight that SUV sales are down and resale values have also dropped sharply!! Maybe Ford has the next "hot" vehicle---a comfortable, safe car with a full frame and rear drive that easily gets 20+ MPG. The biggest impediment to that happening is the lack of attention to detail that the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis engineers have and product planners that can only think "geriatric" when they think of these cars.   Compared to my '93 Grand Marquis that has given me 168,000 miles of good service, lots of space and comfort, 22-24 MPG on the highway and a tow rating of 5000 lbs., the new Grand Marquis and Crown Vic's ride like a "basketball"; have plastic intake manifolds that not only fail but took Ford a long time to "confess to"; have strange vibrations Ford can't fix, and the cars aren't built strong enough to tow more than 2000 lbs!! Let's see now---what do you think is going to happen to sales?   Somebody at Ford that has a little passion and vision needs to take over this line of cars.
#928 of 3244 My 2 cents by mrf May 31, 2001 (2:39 am)
Just some comments on the passing scene:   General comments regarding the CV/GM : You guys forgot to add BORING to your list of gripes. My 2000 GM is both generally boring to drive (although you gotta love anything with a V8) and extraordinarily boring in its reliablity so far (25k). As an FYI: previous car was an Accord. Its reliablity was.... 'sporatically annoying'. However, the Honda dealer I dealt with was first-class, the Lincoln/Mercury/Jaguar dealer I dealt with is populated by morons..   Gas Mileage: Yes, I typically average 22-23 mpg with a 100 mile daily round-trip commute (mostly highway). Most folks I know with mid to full-sized SUV's are lucky to get mid-teens on long highway trips.   The ride: My opinion is that the handling/performance package needs better shock calibration, as rebound control is pretty lousy over bumps.... and yes, these cars are not the mush-mobiles of the '70's, but personally, I think the ride is not at all 'harsh' compared to the 'big sellers': Accord, Camry, et al.... or better yet...an SUV...   The manifold: My take is this: if it blows around 100k or whatever, and not much else breaks, then no problem, fix it, and I got another 100k to go...even though I'll probably only keep the car to 125 or 150k. But, if it blows at say 50k....well, it gets fixed, I trade-in on something else...simple as that. (I know this is not an option for everybody).
#929 of 3244 +2=4cents by sergeis May 31, 2001 (2:27 pm)
I am getting normally 26-27 highway mpg on GM 95, hard to complain. And Ford people look OK here - I had only one problem with the car - tape quality, which was fixed by local Ford guys with no hassle - just dropped in, they took it out, and next time they put it back all working fine, no papers involved (had warranty). And funny - Honda people are not as eager to fix hondas, friend of mine never got speedometer fixed in his brand new accord (shows 5 mph more than it is) - they think it is not a big deal, somewhere in specs it said +-10% is OK. And another friend would never go to Honda with his older Accord again.
#930 of 3244 2001 gm various comments by bruneau Jun 02, 2001 (1:35 pm)
I have a gm with the handling package. While this set up corners better, there is a price to pay in ride and mileage. You have to take your choice. I notice rather thumpy downshifts to second when accelerating from 25-30 miles per hour in traffic. I don't like that. Anyone else notice it? Also, the cd changer in the trunk skips too easily. My car is chestnut metallic and beautiful- I guess I can forgive a few false notes.
#931 of 3244 Plastic Manifolds by 427435 Jun 02, 2001 (7:51 pm)
I'm sorry mrf, but I don't think manifolds are something you should have to worry about when traveling (and I don't care at what mileage or age). There's enough other stuff that is electrical or actually moving that can go wrong (and will after warranty and before 150,000 miles) without Ford adding their manifold to the list. I wonder if the few $ that were saved by a plastic manifold vs the aluminum manifold that were on earlier 4.6's was enough to pay for the recalls and bad will?   The best cars in the world (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus) have rear wheel drive and most have a V-8. With a little effort and not too much cost, Ford could turn the Crown Vic and Marquis into great cars---not what they are now!
#932 of 3244 Re: Plastic Manifolds by mrf Jun 03, 2001 (4:37 am)
I agree, you shouldn't have to worry about a manifold failing, but there are 2 points I'd like to make.. 1) Whether anybody likes it or not, plastic/resin/ceramic engine parts are the wave of the future and here to stay and 2) The point I was trying to make is: There are lots of potential high-mileage failures to contend with : suspension parts, wheel bearings, u-joints, alternators, p/s pumps, radiators, heater cores, water pumps, various emissions parts, plus the usual brakes, tires, shocks... the list goes on. So, when I bought this car I was not aware of the manifold controversy... now I am... Point is, if it fails, and nothing or not much else of the usual stuff busts, no biggy to me... its all a balancing act in terms of overall expense involved. In other words, for me, my main concern is OVERALL maintenance costs... yours may be different... that's ok.   When I purchased this car, I did it solely because I wanted something large, safe, quiet (anyone who has had a Honda knows they aren't), comfortable, mechanically simple with a good reliability record, preferably rear-drive and inexpensive.. So what were my choices..? Yes, I could buy a Merc, BMW, Lexus if I wanted too, but they are neither inexpensive to buy or maintain in a high-mileage per-year scenerio or mechanically simple ... not a practical use of my money, in my opinion.   Seems, that because of the manifold, I may have taken a big risk, eh? Well, so be it... my experience so far does not bear that out. If the risk bothers you, and rightly so, perhaps, I encourage you to shop elsewhere...   .... I can still remember that I was somewhat disturbed when they started putting plastic exterior rear-view mirrors on cars... 'what cheap junk, said I'...

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