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#920 of 3244 Ex 2001 Marquis Owner by carzfan May 25, 2001 (11:24 pm)
Had a 95 Crown Vic with performance/handling package. Liked it a lot. Good ride, reasonable handling. Traded it in at only 46k miles for a new 2001 Marquis. During the test drive I noticed a clunk somewhere down in or below the driver's seat but did not think much of it. After having the car for a week I realized that the clunk happened when I made a right turn and accelerated at the same time: often but not always. Took it to dealer and they were clueless. Biggest problem, and biggest mistake I made was thinking this car would be just like my comparably equipped CV. It's not. The GM rides hard!! - and it has cushy Goodyear LS tires too. My wife has back problems and the hard ride was the deciding factor in trading it in at 3200 miles. Also- it did not help to hear about the plastic intake manifold and how Ford was Not taking care of the problem. Next time I will test drive more carefully and look under the hood more thoroughly, and not assume that the car is the same. So we bought an Avalon. Good-bye clunk... whatever you are.
#921 of 3244 TSB 01M02 - not good!! by swong2 May 26, 2001 (2:47 am)
Published: 25 May 2001 By: Robert Lane Updated: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. " - Martin Luther King Jr.   Ford Motor Company will extend the recall (01M02) on 4.6L V8 equipped vehicles with plastic intake manifolds. Some of the composite intake manifolds used on 4.6L SOHC engines may develop fatigue cracks at the coolant crossover duct. This condition could result in engine coolant leakage which, if not serviced, may cause engine overheating. Complete loss of coolant may result in engine damage or engine failure.   The updated recall now includes: • Certain 1996 through 2001 Model Year Crown Victoria Police Interceptor • Certain 1998 through 2001 Model Year Crown Victoria with Taxi • Certain 1998 through 2001 Lincoln Town Car Limousine and Livery Prep Package • Certain 1996-2001 Crown Victoria Taxis, Police cars and Lincoln Town Car Limousine and Livery cars.   • Certain 1996 through 1997 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor Vehicles with 4.6L SOHC engines built at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant from the beginning of production for the 1996 Model Year through January 28, 1997. • Certain 1998 through 2001 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor Vehicles with 4.6L SOHC engines built at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant from November 22, 1997 through December 15, 2000. • Certain 1998 through 2001 Crown Victoria Taxi Vehicles with 4.6L SOHC engines built at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant from November 22, 1997 through December 15, 2000. • Certain 1998 through 2001 Lincoln Town Car Limousine Prep Package and Livery Vehicles with 4.6L SOHC engines built at the Wixom Assembly Plant from November 22, 1997 through December 15, 2000.   If an intake manifold coolant leak is detected, the dealer will replace the intake manifold. Owners of the affected cars are being notified that additional coverage for this specific condition is being provided. The coverage will be for 7 years from the warranty start date of the vehicle (no mileage limitation). This additional coverage is automatically transferred to subsequent owners.   Read it and weep! To make the firestone tire debacle worse Ford comes out with another TSB fessing up to what we already know about their plastic resin intakes. This is not very comforting knowing the intake can "go south" rendering your vehicle undriveable in the middle of BFE. Enough of this can any third party come out with a metal intake?...I'd be willing to pay with my own money to get this fixed for once and for all.
#922 of 3244 steering wheel vibration by dayton2 May 26, 2001 (9:00 am)
I'm still asking if anyone has a 2001 grand marquis with steering wheel vibration?? Every little bump in the road is felt in the steering wheel. Ford/Mercury says its the larger tires? Doesn't anyone else notice this? It feels like your riding on a basketball, bounce, bounce, bounce. Never had this problem with the previous 15 inch tires.
#923 of 3244 Good buys on GM by dwight53 May 26, 2001 (10:05 pm)
Dealer is offering invoice with $2000 rebate and $500 loyalty discount.
#924 of 3244 re steering wheel vibration by carzfan May 26, 2001 (11:12 pm)
That is part of what I was saying about the hard, jittery ride in the 2001 GM with the perf and handling package. Not only was the ride bumpy but yes, you could feel every little bump through the steering wheel too. Tried lower tire pressure and that did not help much, certainly not enough.
#925 of 3244 All this belly aching with the 2001 GM by samuelg May 29, 2001 (9:20 am)
Folks,   For all my belly aching about my 2001 GM with the offset seats & erongomic shortcomings, I have not experienced the steering wheel vibration problem. Mechanically, the car seems to handle (P&H package is a must) rather well for such a large boat. I have to admit that the gas mileage is horrible with the P&H. I get around 15 city, 21 highway. I could be driving an SUV with this kind of MPG.   I did successfully reengineer the drive seat to be in-line with the steering wheel. The misalignment at drove me crazy. But the fix is not for the faint-hearted. I also rebuilt the cushioning in the seat to make it softer. If you look at the older seat design (1993) vs the 2001, you can easily see why the newer seat is firmer/harder/hurts my toosh! In the newer models, 1/2 of the seat is spring, the rest is sheetmetal. The older seats are all spring suspension. Most people don't notice this, but my boney-butt hurt too much. I admit this is a unique problem I have. I loved the Avalon when I checked it out last year, but the seats were way too hard. Now with all my seat reengineering experience, I may give it another try.   I have been fairly miserable for the 7 months I've owned this car. I too was very unhappy with it from day 3 of ownership. I'm giving it 1-2 more months to see if my latest seat redesign is comfy. You can't tell I did anything b looking at it- all the changes have been under the inner foam. The upholstry is identical to factory. I'f I'm not happy by the end of June, I will sell this car and face the financial hit. Unfortunately, my family, as passengers, loves this car. Figures....   SamG
#927 of 3244 SUV Sales Are Down!! by 427435 May 30, 2001 (7:00 pm)
The Wall Street Journal reported tonight that SUV sales are down and resale values have also dropped sharply!! Maybe Ford has the next "hot" vehicle---a comfortable, safe car with a full frame and rear drive that easily gets 20+ MPG. The biggest impediment to that happening is the lack of attention to detail that the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis engineers have and product planners that can only think "geriatric" when they think of these cars.   Compared to my '93 Grand Marquis that has given me 168,000 miles of good service, lots of space and comfort, 22-24 MPG on the highway and a tow rating of 5000 lbs., the new Grand Marquis and Crown Vic's ride like a "basketball"; have plastic intake manifolds that not only fail but took Ford a long time to "confess to"; have strange vibrations Ford can't fix, and the cars aren't built strong enough to tow more than 2000 lbs!! Let's see now---what do you think is going to happen to sales?   Somebody at Ford that has a little passion and vision needs to take over this line of cars.
#928 of 3244 My 2 cents by mrf May 31, 2001 (2:39 am)
Just some comments on the passing scene:   General comments regarding the CV/GM : You guys forgot to add BORING to your list of gripes. My 2000 GM is both generally boring to drive (although you gotta love anything with a V8) and extraordinarily boring in its reliablity so far (25k). As an FYI: previous car was an Accord. Its reliablity was.... 'sporatically annoying'. However, the Honda dealer I dealt with was first-class, the Lincoln/Mercury/Jaguar dealer I dealt with is populated by morons..   Gas Mileage: Yes, I typically average 22-23 mpg with a 100 mile daily round-trip commute (mostly highway). Most folks I know with mid to full-sized SUV's are lucky to get mid-teens on long highway trips.   The ride: My opinion is that the handling/performance package needs better shock calibration, as rebound control is pretty lousy over bumps.... and yes, these cars are not the mush-mobiles of the '70's, but personally, I think the ride is not at all 'harsh' compared to the 'big sellers': Accord, Camry, et al.... or better yet...an SUV...   The manifold: My take is this: if it blows around 100k or whatever, and not much else breaks, then no problem, fix it, and I got another 100k to go...even though I'll probably only keep the car to 125 or 150k. But, if it blows at say 50k....well, it gets fixed, I trade-in on something else...simple as that. (I know this is not an option for everybody).
#929 of 3244 +2=4cents by sergeis May 31, 2001 (2:27 pm)
I am getting normally 26-27 highway mpg on GM 95, hard to complain. And Ford people look OK here - I had only one problem with the car - tape quality, which was fixed by local Ford guys with no hassle - just dropped in, they took it out, and next time they put it back all working fine, no papers involved (had warranty). And funny - Honda people are not as eager to fix hondas, friend of mine never got speedometer fixed in his brand new accord (shows 5 mph more than it is) - they think it is not a big deal, somewhere in specs it said +-10% is OK. And another friend would never go to Honda with his older Accord again.

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