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#2520 of 3244 Re: Undecided [basils] by turbo301 Jun 15, 2005 (7:35 pm)
Replying to: basils (Jun 15, 2005 4:47 pm) Indeed, there are some insulation differences and such, but it is hard to justify forking out the extra money just to get the Mercury name; nowadays, "Mercury" doesn't mean much. As an example, when i was shopping for my car, a dealer had a 2004 GM LS for $27.7k, all taxes in and everything (these are Canadian dollars, don't forget). I ended up getting my CV, with more options, for $24.1k, all in. Who would pay $3.6k for the sake of the Mercury badge, and give up the steering wheel mounted controls, 6-pack CD changer, etc.? It's not like the CV has a bucking-bronco ride or anything!   As far as new goes, a local dealer actually has a new 2005 CV (odd, since they're not sold in Canada anymore!) for $32k + taxes. So, as someone pointed out, there is much money to be saved by going used, and with CVs being used in so many rental car fleets, there is a huge supply in all manner of colours. True enough, the handling package is never specified, but it seems like all of them get the Premier group, which is very nice (it strikes me as overly expensive to buy new).   I must admit that I like the style of the CV better than the Grand Marquis, especially the back. It never seems like Mercury knows what they want to do with the behind of the GM. The CV has a nice, clean, plump rear (I'm an a$$ man, what can I say? LOL!). As such, getting one for less than a GM is a perfect situation for me.
#2521 of 3244 Gm vs. CV by jsylvester Jun 15, 2005 (7:54 pm)
The main reasons I prefer the GM over the CV is the slightly better interior, better grill and tail lamps, and the features and options are packaged in a way I prefer. More importantly, Mercury dealers usually have a much better selection. Also, the GM has a $5,000 rebate, and the CV only $2,000.   Now, if I could only find an LSE around, I might take the plunge.
#2522 of 3244 Re: Avalon Also not Self-Maintenance Friendly [basils] by jsylvester Jun 15, 2005 (8:00 pm)
Replying to: basils (Jun 13, 2005 7:15 pm) the filters are available on line or at your dealer, but it is just a paper filter. It still requires the removal from the oil pan, as well as the replacement of two o-rings with every change.   Toyota claims it was done to be "environmentally friendly". I think it was done partially because the average Avalon buyer has no mechanical aptitude, and probably doesn't even know what an oil filter looks like.   On the weekends, I sell power lawn equipment at the local Home Depot - it is in a very nice area of town. Many of my customers have no mechanical aptitude - I am constantly explaining what a choke is, the concept of stale gas, what is a spark plug, etc. It is interesting to have a customer bring a lawnmower back with no oil, or mixed oil with the gas in a 4 cycle engine, etc.   Not to stereotype, but most of them drive large Japanese or European SUV's, or European cars. Money they have, but not mechanical ability. You can make a killing buying nonrunning power equipment at garage sales.
#2523 of 3244 Re: Undecided [johnclineii] by basils Jun 16, 2005 (5:12 am)
Replying to: johnclineii (Jun 15, 2005 5:00 pm) Does the GM truly have more insulation for sound proofing, or is this what you've heard? Not trying to be a stinker, I just honestly want to see a photo or proof. Also, why would it ride any better if all the suspension parts are identical per package? If what you say is fact, I'll be looking at the GM a little closer....especially if the cash back deal gets the final price as low or lower than a comparable CV. I've thought about sound proofing a Crown Vic, to make it even quiter than it already is. The problem is expense. Quality sound proofing material cost serious bucks.
#2524 of 3244 undecided by johnclineii Jun 16, 2005 (7:12 am)
The high level CV's have the same insulation as the GM does. Finding a high level CV (the LX or LX Sport) is the rub....   Drive both, then decide. After all, you are the one who will be living with the car! Replies to this message: basils (Jun 16, 2005 7:37 am)
#2525 of 3244 Re: undecided [johnclineii] by basils Jun 16, 2005 (7:37 am)
Replying to: johnclineii (Jun 16, 2005 7:12 am) I thought this was the case....I just forgot about the base model CV. When I drove an LX Sport last weekend, I was surprised at how quite it was. Several years ago I drove an LX and I recall it being about the same. The base model must be slightly less comfortable and noisey.
#2527 of 3244 Re: Unstoppable Signal Clicking [djr2] by pat HOST Jun 17, 2005 (2:45 pm)
Hi and welcome - I just want to point out that posting your email address is a very bad idea. If you want registered Forums members to have it, all you have to do is make it public in your profile.   When you post it, you make it available to all kinds of automated email address collectors (spambots, etc.) that are crawling the web to harvest addresses for any number of malicious purposes. These automated things cannot get to it in your profile since someone has to be a legitimate, registered, logged-in member to see it there.   You can repost your message without the address and I can delete the one with the address in it, if you'd like. Drop me an email and I'll take care of it. Uh, just see my, um, profile for my address!   Again, welcome! Replies to this message: djr2 (Jun 17, 2005 4:33 pm) pat (Jun 17, 2005 7:53 pm)
#2528 of 3244 Re: Unstoppable Signal Clicking [wrangler4] by djr2 Jun 17, 2005 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: wrangler4 (May 17, 2005 3:18 pm) I also have a 1999 Ford Crown Victoria (mine's a police interceptor model) with 88,000 miles on it. It has the exact same problem. I have not replaced the LCM because the only place I've found one was at the dealer for $350.    Let me repeat - you have described my problem to the letter. I am in the process of replacing the MFS (multi-function switch) a fancy name for the turn signal switch (cost $55 at AutoZone). I read in another forum that this could also cause the problem. I'll let you know if it works.    Also can you tell me if you were able to find an LCM from other than a dealer and how much you paid (if you don't mind me asking). Any help would be appreciated.    David (also from Indiana (Terre Haute))
#2529 of 3244 Re: Unstoppable Signal Clicking [pat] by djr2 Jun 17, 2005 (4:33 pm)
Replying to: pat (Jun 17, 2005 2:45 pm) Yes, please do. I have already posted a new message w/o email. Thanks, I'm new to this message board stuff. Any other hints or suggestions? David Replies to this message: pat (Jun 17, 2005 7:53 pm)

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