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You are in the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis
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Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Exterior, Sedan
Jun 15, 2005 (3:41 pm)
I've been reading Mercury's web site and Edmunds and both claim a $5000 cash rebate for the 2005 Grand Marquis. Although I'm seriously considering buying one, I'm yet to find any favorable reviews and recommendations.
In 2000 I came close to getting one but I opted for a Sable S.W. Now the bug bit me again. I really like both the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis, but there is a $3000 difference in cash rebate between the two. So I'd opt for the latter.
Comments are welcome.
Jun 15, 2005 (3:56 pm)
Grand Marquis depreciates MUCH less..as they are not generally used for fleets, taxi cabs or cop cars. They usually cost a wee bit more than the CV, similarly equipped. If money is a factor, these large cars depreciate rapidly. A nice, year or two year old car can be had for much less than you might expect...hard to find the handling package or sport package used though....
You might also want to look at the Five Hundred/Montego, but you won't find body on frame, V8 or the ride/comfort of the Panther series. You will find AWD and Volvo levels of safety, though.
#2518 of 3300 Re: Undecided [johnclineii]
Jun 15, 2005 (4:47 pm)
I've heard, but not gonna call it fact, that the Grand Marquis doesn't ride as well as the Crown Vic, and that it has slightly more road noise. Now, don't just believe this from what I've heard. They both share the same platform and body....so how could it be true? Personally I like the look of the Crown Vic a bit more that the Grand Marquis. The front grill especially. As far as depreciation between the two, I really have no idea. But what johnclineii said about great deals on used, he couldn't be more right. Even where I live you can go to a used dealer and pick up a Crown Vic or GM that's three years old, with say 25k to 35k miles on it, in great shape, for around 15 grand. That's about a fifty percent savings if you don't mind used.
#2519 of 3300 Re: Undecided [basils]
Jun 15, 2005 (5:00 pm)
For 15 grand here, you can buy a one year old CV or GM with 15-20k on the clock.
The Mercury has more insulation than the CV, not less. The ride is, if anything, a bit smoother, unless you get the handling package....
Mercuries are Mercuries due to more quietness, a slightly higher level of perceived luxury, and slightly higher pricing...
#2520 of 3300 Re: Undecided [basils]
Jun 15, 2005 (7:35 pm)
Indeed, there are some insulation differences and such, but it is hard to justify forking out the extra money just to get the Mercury name; nowadays, "Mercury" doesn't mean much. As an example, when i was shopping for my car, a dealer had a 2004 GM LS for $27.7k, all taxes in and everything (these are Canadian dollars, don't forget). I ended up getting my CV, with more options, for $24.1k, all in. Who would pay $3.6k for the sake of the Mercury badge, and give up the steering wheel mounted controls, 6-pack CD changer, etc.? It's not like the CV has a bucking-bronco ride or anything!
As far as new goes, a local dealer actually has a new 2005 CV (odd, since they're not sold in Canada anymore!) for $32k + taxes. So, as someone pointed out, there is much money to be saved by going used, and with CVs being used in so many rental car fleets, there is a huge supply in all manner of colours. True enough, the handling package is never specified, but it seems like all of them get the Premier group, which is very nice (it strikes me as overly expensive to buy new).
I must admit that I like the style of the CV better than the Grand Marquis, especially the back. It never seems like Mercury knows what they want to do with the behind of the GM. The CV has a nice, clean, plump rear (I'm an a$$ man, what can I say? LOL!). As such, getting one for less than a GM is a perfect situation for me.
Jun 15, 2005 (7:54 pm)
The main reasons I prefer the GM over the CV is the slightly better interior, better grill and tail lamps, and the features and options are packaged in a way I prefer. More importantly, Mercury dealers usually have a much better selection. Also, the GM has a $5,000 rebate, and the CV only $2,000.
Now, if I could only find an LSE around, I might take the plunge.
#2522 of 3300 Re: Avalon Also not Self-Maintenance Friendly [basils]
Jun 15, 2005 (8:00 pm)
the filters are available on line or at your dealer, but it is just a paper filter. It still requires the removal from the oil pan, as well as the replacement of two o-rings with every change.
Toyota claims it was done to be "environmentally friendly". I think it was done partially because the average Avalon buyer has no mechanical aptitude, and probably doesn't even know what an oil filter looks like.
On the weekends, I sell power lawn equipment at the local Home Depot - it is in a very nice area of town. Many of my customers have no mechanical aptitude - I am constantly explaining what a choke is, the concept of stale gas, what is a spark plug, etc. It is interesting to have a customer bring a lawnmower back with no oil, or mixed oil with the gas in a 4 cycle engine, etc.
Not to stereotype, but most of them drive large Japanese or European SUV's, or European cars. Money they have, but not mechanical ability. You can make a killing buying nonrunning power equipment at garage sales.
#2523 of 3300 Re: Undecided [johnclineii]
Jun 16, 2005 (5:12 am)
Does the GM truly have more insulation for sound proofing, or is this what you've heard? Not trying to be a stinker, I just honestly want to see a photo or proof. Also, why would it ride any better if all the suspension parts are identical per package? If what you say is fact, I'll be looking at the GM a little closer....especially if the cash back deal gets the final price as low or lower than a comparable CV. I've thought about sound proofing a Crown Vic, to make it even quiter than it already is. The problem is expense. Quality sound proofing material cost serious bucks.
Jun 16, 2005 (7:12 am)
The high level CV's have the same insulation as the GM does. Finding a high level CV (the LX or LX Sport) is the rub....
Drive both, then decide. After all, you are the one who will be living with the car!
#2525 of 3300 Re: undecided [johnclineii]
Jun 16, 2005 (7:37 am)
I thought this was the case....I just forgot about the base model CV. When I drove an LX Sport last weekend, I was surprised at how quite it was. Several years ago I drove an LX and I recall it being about the same. The base model must be slightly less comfortable and noisey.