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#2509 of 3244 Re: Handling package and such [basils] by turbo301 Jun 13, 2005 (7:38 pm)
Replying to: basils (Jun 13, 2005 7:05 pm) No problem, glad I could help. I actually figured that Midnight Grey would go, since tungsten tends to suggest a dark grey colour. Odd about the interior trim; my 2004's interior is "Dark Charcoal", which sounds much like the colour that will be "coming in" in 2006! Ah, who knows how the Ford gurus work!   Just as a note about this other discussion regarding the Crown Vic vs. the Avalon. I was looking at an Avalon, actually, as I was very impressed with it at the Detroit auto show: it has great interior room and comes very well equipped. However, nothing beats the torquey feel of the CV's V8, even if it is not as powerful as Toyota's V6 (and the Toyota's trunk room doesn't even come close). Also, with the revised transmission for 2004, I find the acceleration of the CV downright impressive. By not trying to squeeze every last pony from the 4.6L, Ford has been able to keep the engine smooth and effortless.   We haven't gotten CVs in Canada for a number of years now - ironic, given that they're made here - but by getting mine used I saved a pile of dough and have a very unique car. Hmmm, $20k (Canadian) for a Crown Vic that isn't even a year old or $40k for an Avalon (which, I will point out, uses new technology that has yet to be proven like the CV's); that's a no-brainer to me! Replies to this message: basils (Jun 14, 2005 5:20 am) turbo301 (Jun 14, 2005 8:57 am)
#2510 of 3244 Re: Handling package and such [turbo301] by basils Jun 14, 2005 (5:20 am)
Replying to: turbo301 (Jun 13, 2005 7:38 pm) I was hoping they would keep the midnight grey as a notch above black. Tungsten may turn out to be more light grey than I'm looking for. Black is really nice, it just takes more cleaning and care....something I'll most likely enjoy anyway. I too thought that the Avalon looks real attractive. The inside wasn't as large as I like but it was still a good size. The Toyota salesman told me that it rides better than a Crown Vic....something I took with a grain of salt and later proved that I was correct after driving it. Fast car, just empty feeling like most v-6 engines seem to me. I even drove a Nissan 350z the same day....just to see how a real sports car feels. Fast, but way too snappy for me. I felt like I was going to get a neck ache. Fun car but no way could I drive one to work every day. I'd considered some other cars more seriously but the cost/value factor was heavily in the Crown Vic's favor. The reliability of the CV can't be questioned either. I'll bet they rack up more trouble free miles than ANY comparable Japanese brand. The taxi fleets around here are still driving ten year old CV's and the cops have some from '97. Can you imagine how rough that's gotta be on a car? Solid, reliable, smooth, comfortable, and proven. Replies to this message: turbo301 (Jun 14, 2005 8:57 am)
#2511 of 3244 Re: Handling package and such [basils] by turbo301 Jun 14, 2005 (8:57 am)
Replying to: basils (Jun 14, 2005 5:20 am) Yeah, a friend of mine's girlfriend has a '96 ex-cop car AND ex-taxi CV with almost 700,000 km on it, and it still runs pretty darn well! Keeping the front end configuration simple by not having to carry driveshafts or anything like that, certainly eases maintenance and aids reliability, in addition to the handling and traction benefits.   I really like the midnight grey colour; I would have bought an '04 CV in that colour if the dealer hadn't been such a jerk. As it is, I'm glad that I got one in light ice blue instead, since it doesn't show dirt at all! My Trans Am is black, so I know what a pain in the butt it can be trying to keep a dark car looking nice
#2512 of 3244 Lack of HP--Basils by batista Jun 14, 2005 (4:14 pm)
You guys aren't considering the fact that the CV/GM does 0-60 in about 8 seconds while the Avalon/G35/300C is doing it about 6.0-6.5 sec. You might think that the 4.6L V8 is fast by the seat of the pants feel but in reality its average to slow for the model year 2005. Cops will have to switch to the Dodge Charger 5.7L since the Camry/Accord/Altima V6's are faster. Ford is behind the times with this setup and if they want customers under 50 to be interested they need to do some major changes. Replies to this message: basils (Jun 14, 2005 6:34 pm)
#2513 of 3244 Re: Lack of HP--Basils [batista] by basils Jun 14, 2005 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: batista (Jun 14, 2005 4:14 pm) A police pursuit vehicle's sole criteria isn't just a fast 0-60 time. If it was, cops would be driving something a lot faster than a Toyota Avalon. Rear wheel drive, towing, pushing (yes, pushing), durability, trunk and interior space, exterior size, weight (more is better than to light), low end grunt (the Avalon has none), ease of maintenance, great reliability history, excellent outward visibility, top speed, stability, and a whole bunch of other more detailed and technical criteria. All Ford would need to do, if the police requested, is pump up the horsepower in the current V-8. If that wasn't enough, but it already has proven that it is, Ford could even drop the 5.4 in and pump it up to 400hp. But this is all just posturing anyway because the police have been very satisfied with the whole 250hp p71 package just as it is. Just remember, even a bad guy in a Ferrari or sport bike can't outrun radios, helicopters, and bad traffic. And by the way, I am under 50 and I love the Crown Victoria. It reminds me how solid cars used to be in the good old days. I test drove an Avalon, a Crown Vic, a BMW 3 series, and even a Nissan 350z.....and you know what? Hands down the Crown Vic was a far better car in my opinion. The combined attributes of ride (exceptional), power (better than some, and great torque), smoothness, solid and substantial feel, looks, spaciousness, proven reliability, American style, and safety, make it the best car for me.
#2514 of 3244 My 04 Crown Vic by marsha7 Jun 14, 2005 (6:38 pm)
is midnight grey, and I like it since it really is easier to keep clean as opposed to gloss black...interior is dark charcoal, easy to keep clean...also, my LX Sport has the floor shifter, bucket seats, and rear air suspension...I believe these are part of the Sport package, whereas the handling package is rear sway bar, dual exhaust, which is what they say raises it to 239 HP...am I wrong???
#2515 of 3244 Having problems with my 94GM by paranoidjack Jun 14, 2005 (7:20 pm)
I have always been a Honda man, but have come to absolutely love my GM....when the transmission does not feel as if it's straining. Two issues:   1) After the car is COLD, when started it often dies the first time, and then is PERFECT on the second. This was the case for a week, aside from that, car drove perfectly.   2) NOW, this seems to happen less, however until about 4-5 mins of driving have gone by (I've been having to let the car warm up first), the car bucks as if the timing is off. Bogging down, feels like starting a manual in 2nd gear, but with a consistant on.off.on.off. pattern, UNTIL reaching a certain RPM and the LUNGING smoothly until the shift. The shift is often painfully hard.   I should add: My car has 142k on it. I recently had the tranny flushed, as well as that ford additive people use to kill that ford "shudder" from the rear axle (shifting from 1st to second gear). It's also maroon, lol. Thanks! Help me out, I was an import man until this car won my love!
#2516 of 3244 Undecided by danielj6 Jun 15, 2005 (3:41 pm)
I've been reading Mercury's web site and Edmunds and both claim a $5000 cash rebate for the 2005 Grand Marquis. Although I'm seriously considering buying one, I'm yet to find any favorable reviews and recommendations.   In 2000 I came close to getting one but I opted for a Sable S.W. Now the bug bit me again. I really like both the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis, but there is a $3000 difference in cash rebate between the two. So I'd opt for the latter.   Comments are welcome.
#2517 of 3244 Undecided by johnclineii Jun 15, 2005 (3:56 pm)
Grand Marquis depreciates MUCH less..as they are not generally used for fleets, taxi cabs or cop cars. They usually cost a wee bit more than the CV, similarly equipped. If money is a factor, these large cars depreciate rapidly. A nice, year or two year old car can be had for much less than you might expect...hard to find the handling package or sport package used though....   You might also want to look at the Five Hundred/Montego, but you won't find body on frame, V8 or the ride/comfort of the Panther series. You will find AWD and Volvo levels of safety, though. Replies to this message: basils (Jun 15, 2005 4:47 pm) johnclineii (Jun 15, 2005 5:00 pm) basils (Jun 16, 2005 5:12 am) turbo301 (Jun 15, 2005 7:35 pm) marge90601 (Jun 18, 2005 9:23 pm)
#2518 of 3244 Re: Undecided [johnclineii] by basils Jun 15, 2005 (4:47 pm)
Replying to: johnclineii (Jun 15, 2005 3:56 pm) I've heard, but not gonna call it fact, that the Grand Marquis doesn't ride as well as the Crown Vic, and that it has slightly more road noise. Now, don't just believe this from what I've heard. They both share the same platform and body....so how could it be true? Personally I like the look of the Crown Vic a bit more that the Grand Marquis. The front grill especially. As far as depreciation between the two, I really have no idea. But what johnclineii said about great deals on used, he couldn't be more right. Even where I live you can go to a used dealer and pick up a Crown Vic or GM that's three years old, with say 25k to 35k miles on it, in great shape, for around 15 grand. That's about a fifty percent savings if you don't mind used. Replies to this message: johnclineii (Jun 15, 2005 5:00 pm) basils (Jun 16, 2005 5:12 am) turbo301 (Jun 15, 2005 7:35 pm) marge90601 (Jun 18, 2005 9:23 pm)

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