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You are in the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis
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Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Exterior, Sedan
#2503 of 3300 Re: Handling Package and HP
Jun 13, 2005 (4:40 pm)
The Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis is a joke to have only 224-239 HP. It was acceptable until about 2001. The Honda Accord V6 puts out 240 HP (starting in 2002) and from a SOHC 3.0L while the CW/GM requires a 4.6L V8.
When is Ford going to update these engines? They need to up the HP to 300 to get respect from their customers. The 2006 Toyota Avalon puts out 280HP from a 3.5L V6 and so does the Infinity engines.
Jun 13, 2005 (4:54 pm)
(Note to self: same person will be complaining about the poor fuel economy when gas starts selling for four dollars a gallon or more...)
#2505 of 3300 Re: Handling Package and HP [batista]
Jun 13, 2005 (6:51 pm)
In all fairness my friend, you're not really accurate. Have you ever driven both? I did, in the same hour as a matter of fact. The V-6 in the 2006 Avalon does have great horsepower output, but this is at a higher rpm than a Crown Vic. When I drove the Avalon I noticed that it did have good power at higher rpm, but it lacked torque of any kind. The Toyota didn't even compare at all with the Vic when it came to the smoothness and quiteness department either. My wife even noticed it and she doesn't know a thing about cars! We both thought the Crown Vic felt much more substantial and even more powerful....just not as jerky as an Avalon. And the Toyota engine REQUIRES high octane unleaded in order to get the full hp out of it. The Ford just needs regular. Hey, some of these new Mitsubishis are putting out volumnes of hp from 4 banger engines....but would they drive nice or be powerful AND comfortable? No way. The Avalon is also about 5 grand more than the Crown Vic....and not worth it in my book. Like I said, drive both, side by side like I did, THEN decide which car feels like a luxury model and the other one a toy.
Sorry bud, V-8 wins every time!
#2506 of 3300 Avalon Also not Self-Maintenance Friendly
Jun 13, 2005 (6:56 pm)
One other thing - the new Avalon has a special "internal" oil filter, not a spin-on oil filter. If you like to do your own oil changes, and not be held hostage to the Toyota dealership, pass on the Avalon.
Still loving my 94 Grand Marquis - in fact my parents like it better than their 2002 Honda CRV. They have had my GM for about 2 months as the body shop tries to put the crackerbox CRV back together.
#2507 of 3300 Re: Handling package and such [turbo301]
Jun 13, 2005 (7:05 pm)
Thanks turbo, you've helped me a lot. That makes sense about Ford not wanting to advertise about just getting the handling package instead of a full blown sport model. The antenna thing? Well, I just read it from a Ford product memo that was posted from another site. The 2006 changes to the Crown Vic are as follows:
Optional 16" chrome wheel on LX available
Rear window antenna in rear glass
Trip computer standard on LX and Sport
New color....Tungsten Clearcoat Metallic
Deleated color....Midnight Grey
Auto temp. control standard on LX
Light Camel trim replaces Medium Parchment
Medium Light Stone trim replaces Light Flint trim
Charcoal Black trim replaces Midnight Black trim
That's pretty much it for the '06 changes. Fleet and police get other changes. No real cosmetic changes until '07. Don't know about the engine. the Grand Marquis was supposed to get a facelift in '06 though. I haven't been able to confirm it or see any photos.
#2508 of 3300 Re: Avalon Also not Self-Maintenance Friendly [jsylvester]
Jun 13, 2005 (7:15 pm)
Really? An internal filter? Is this even something that a home mechanic can do without special tools or filters from Toyota? I never even heard about it...thanks.
I'll bet your parents like the GM better than the CRV. My wife owns a CRV and it is reliable, but it rides like a go-cart with plastic wheels! When she test drove a Crown Vic she was shocked at how easy, smooth, and totally comfortable the drive was. I told her before hand (used to own a Vic years ago) but I don't think she believed me. Lol.
Yep, the Crown Vic/ Grand Marq are really great vehicles. I sure hope they don't change them too much in the coming years. I just love them like an old friend!
#2509 of 3300 Re: Handling package and such [basils]
Jun 13, 2005 (7:38 pm)
No problem, glad I could help. I actually figured that Midnight Grey would go, since tungsten tends to suggest a dark grey colour. Odd about the interior trim; my 2004's interior is "Dark Charcoal", which sounds much like the colour that will be "coming in" in 2006! Ah, who knows how the Ford gurus work!
Just as a note about this other discussion regarding the Crown Vic vs. the Avalon. I was looking at an Avalon, actually, as I was very impressed with it at the Detroit auto show: it has great interior room and comes very well equipped. However, nothing beats the torquey feel of the CV's V8, even if it is not as powerful as Toyota's V6 (and the Toyota's trunk room doesn't even come close). Also, with the revised transmission for 2004, I find the acceleration of the CV downright impressive. By not trying to squeeze every last pony from the 4.6L, Ford has been able to keep the engine smooth and effortless.
We haven't gotten CVs in Canada for a number of years now - ironic, given that they're made here - but by getting mine used I saved a pile of dough and have a very unique car. Hmmm, $20k (Canadian) for a Crown Vic that isn't even a year old or $40k for an Avalon (which, I will point out, uses new technology that has yet to be proven like the CV's); that's a no-brainer to me!
#2510 of 3300 Re: Handling package and such [turbo301]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:20 am)
I was hoping they would keep the midnight grey as a notch above black. Tungsten may turn out to be more light grey than I'm looking for. Black is really nice, it just takes more cleaning and care....something I'll most likely enjoy anyway.
I too thought that the Avalon looks real attractive. The inside wasn't as large as I like but it was still a good size. The Toyota salesman told me that it rides better than a Crown Vic....something I took with a grain of salt and later proved that I was correct after driving it. Fast car, just empty feeling like most v-6 engines seem to me. I even drove a Nissan 350z the same day....just to see how a real sports car feels. Fast, but way too snappy for me. I felt like I was going to get a neck ache. Fun car but no way could I drive one to work every day. I'd considered some other cars more seriously but the cost/value factor was heavily in the Crown Vic's favor. The reliability of the CV can't be questioned either. I'll bet they rack up more trouble free miles than ANY comparable Japanese brand. The taxi fleets around here are still driving ten year old CV's and the cops have some from '97. Can you imagine how rough that's gotta be on a car?
Solid, reliable, smooth, comfortable, and proven.
#2511 of 3300 Re: Handling package and such [basils]
Jun 14, 2005 (8:57 am)
Yeah, a friend of mine's girlfriend has a '96 ex-cop car AND ex-taxi CV with almost 700,000 km on it, and it still runs pretty darn well! Keeping the front end configuration simple by not having to carry driveshafts or anything like that, certainly eases maintenance and aids reliability, in addition to the handling and traction benefits.
I really like the midnight grey colour; I would have bought an '04 CV in that colour if the dealer hadn't been such a jerk. As it is, I'm glad that I got one in light ice blue instead, since it doesn't show dirt at all! My Trans Am is black, so I know what a pain in the butt it can be trying to keep a dark car looking nice
#2512 of 3300 Lack of HP--Basils
Jun 14, 2005 (4:14 pm)
You guys aren't considering the fact that the CV/GM does 0-60 in about 8 seconds while the Avalon/G35/300C is doing it about 6.0-6.5 sec.
You might think that the 4.6L V8 is fast by the seat of the pants feel but in reality its average to slow for the model year 2005.
Cops will have to switch to the Dodge Charger 5.7L since the Camry/Accord/Altima V6's are faster.
Ford is behind the times with this setup and if they want customers under 50 to be interested they need to do some major changes.