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#2414 of 3244 GM vs. CV by smokeyjoe Jan 16, 2005 (8:06 am)
With the great incentives being offered by Mercury on the 2005 GM ($4K rebate, $500 credit cash) I went to take a look at one yesterday. I am not thrilled with the styling of the GM over the CV, but for the price it was worth it to take a look.   Upon sitting in the car, the first thing my wife and I noticed was how poorly one fits in the seats. You have to force your upper back backwads in order for your shoulders to rest against the seat back....worse, the headrests are angled so severely forward, your neck is then pushed down so that your chin is almost touching your chest. These seats are a chiropracters dream!   We then took the car for a test drive, and the ride was very unstable and bumpy. Nothing like the '97 CV I am used to riding in. We felt just about every bump on the road....could this be the result of the optional "front stabilizer bar"?   We went to a Ford dealer next, since I thought that maybe the CV had a different seat in it. Well....it DOES! VERY comfortable, and nothing like the GM. Though the headrests are also angled forward, the overall seat design is such that you can lay back in the seat and be perfectly comfortable. Unfortunately, we got to the dealer somewhat late and couldn't get the car out for a test drive. If it is a smooth ride, I think we'll get it.   So, my questions for you fine folks: 1) Would the GM's stabilizer bar cause the ride to be stiffer? 2) I noticed on 3 CVs and the 1 GM that upon starting the engine, when you turn the wheel while in Park you hear the power steering motor making a LOT of noise. Almost as much noise as you would expect from the motor when you have fully turned the wheel all the way right or left....but in this case, it was constant no matter where the wheel was being turned. Normal???   Thanks!
#2415 of 3244 Re: I believe something may be [marsha7] by nvbanker Jan 16, 2005 (9:25 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 15, 2005 7:07 pm) All of the Fords I've had with Air suspension have to re-pump each time you start the car, because they settle down when you turn them off and close up the car. That is normal. I wouldn't worry, it sounds like yours is working normally. On your other problem though, I don't know. sorry. Replies to this message: ragdollgirl (Jan 17, 2005 10:52 am) a_l_hubcaps (Jan 22, 2005 1:05 am)
#2416 of 3244 Just a gripe I have by ragdollgirl Jan 17, 2005 (10:52 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 16, 2005 9:25 pm) Several months ago I lost one of the center wheel caps on my 94 GM. I stood it as long as I could, but then I had to find one. The dealer wanted $86.63. I had previously checked used car parts dealers, but they insisted on selling me the whole wheel just to get the cap. I bought a perfectly respectable used cap on eBay for $32.99. It has just enough small scratches so it matches the other three. Perfect! Dealer -- you can keep yours! What a rip-off. All that money for a part that's mostly plastic. They should be embarrassed. Replies to this message: a_l_hubcaps (Jan 22, 2005 1:05 am)
#2417 of 3244 smokeyjoe by marsha7 Jan 19, 2005 (7:43 pm)
I was under the impression that most cars have ALWAYS had a front stabilizer bar, even "poor handling luxury boats" like Crown Vic, Grand Marq, Town Car, etc...what I have always wanted, and more cars now offer, is a standard rear stabilizer bar which would only affect (improve) body roll in turns, but has, I believe, no effect whatsoever on straight roads since the bars have no torsion on them in straight roads...
#2418 of 3244 Blowing Fuses on 2000 GM by dmers Jan 20, 2005 (3:16 pm)
I need some help for our 2000 GM LS w/Digital dash and auto heat/AC. The car has only 92K miles on it. It keeps blowing the fuse for the digital dash, power door locks, done light, etc.  We just spent $190 getting the Auto heat/AC fan working about 1 month ago. This same fuse problem occured when we bought it 4 year ago and they tracked it down to the built in garage door opener in the visor. Any ideas or is this common? Thanks for any help. dmers Replies to this message: nvbanker (Jan 20, 2005 3:38 pm) esfoad (Jan 21, 2005 5:17 am)
#2419 of 3244 Re: Blowing Fuses on 2000 GM [dmers] by nvbanker Jan 20, 2005 (3:38 pm)
Replying to: dmers (Jan 20, 2005 3:16 pm) It is not common at all, but clearly, you have something that's touching ground somewhere in the circuit or overloading. It's a tough one to find. Someone is going to have to trace every wire down to find out where the insulation has worn through or the staple is that's making the fault to ground for you. Replies to this message: esfoad (Jan 21, 2005 5:17 am)
#2420 of 3244 Re: Blowing Fuses on 2000 GM [nvbanker] by esfoad Jan 21, 2005 (5:17 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 20, 2005 3:38 pm) I just had the same thing. I finally tracked it down to the wire that powers the vanity mirror in the driver's sunvisor. Every time I moved the visor, the wire was chafing on the roof of the car and eventually rubbed away the insulation. Then it was bare wire touching the roof. I hope this helps to solve your problem.
#2421 of 3244 Re: Just a gripe I have [ragdollgirl] by a_l_hubcaps Jan 22, 2005 (1:05 am)
Replying to: ragdollgirl (Jan 17, 2005 10:52 am) You should remove those caps yourself anytime you take the car in for service, so you can be sure they are put back on properly. It is very easy for inattentive mechanics to break the clips and then the caps start flying off. I am in the hubcap business and I sell these caps all the time, they are one of the worst designs out there.   -Andrew L
#2422 of 3244 Thanks, Andrew L. by ragdollgirl Jan 24, 2005 (8:51 am)
I will definitely be removing all my wheel caps myself before I take the car in again. When we took another one off to see the part number, some serviceperson had broken a clip off of it. Don't know what shape the other two are in yet. I'll probably be losing another one before long. The car's got almost 200K miles on it but I still want it to look good. Can't go around with naked wheels! Thanks for the tip. I didn't know they were so fragile. Replies to this message: lostwrench (Feb 15, 2005 7:42 pm)
#2423 of 3244 Blowing Fuses on 2000 GM/ found the problem! by dmers Jan 28, 2005 (12:05 pm)
Thanks to all for any help on the issue of blowing fuses on my 2000 GM w/92K on it.    There was a short in the visor to the remote control garage opener. The mechanic disconnected the wire and now all is working well on our electronic dash, door locks, heater fan, etc. at an unbelievable $68.00     The cost to replace the part: a new visor: $454.00 __you guessed it, we are using the old garage openers, again. The first time this happened, it was on Ford, back in 2000. I did not trust a third Ford Visor for electronics reliability.   I think I am going analog when possible on all my future cars.

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