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You are in the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis
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Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Exterior, Sedan
#2407 of 3300 Maybe you experts know...
Jan 10, 2005 (3:41 pm)
why Ford Motor Co seems to put the Crown Vic behind the proverbial "8 Ball"? Let me explain...my local Mercury dealer quoted me $20,831 after $4500 in rebates ($3500 on the car and $1000 when using Ford Credit) on a 2005 Grand Marquis GS Convenience Package. This car has traction control and power adjustable pedals and stickers for $26,535. My Ford dealer has a 2004 Crown Victoria LX without traction control or adjustable pedals and the best he can do is $19,895 after rebates. The sticker is about $27,700. Now, the Ford is priced $1000 higher and they quoted $1000 lower than the Mercury--so I believe they did all they could do. But, why is the Mercury less expensive? I thought Mercury was "nicer" than Ford. There is no way I can buy a 2004 Crown Vic when for only $1000 more I can get a 2005 Mercury WITH traction control and adjustable pedals. Do any of you know why Ford Motor Co seems to price these vehicles the way they do?
Jan 10, 2005 (5:06 pm)
I'd need to see the stickers to be sure, but there are going to be some other equipment differences between the two. The CV LX is the higher end Ford, and the GM GS Convience is the lower end Mercury, standard equip varies, like the traction control for one, keypad on the door, etc. The model year can make a difference too. Base price may vary from year to year. There are a thousand variables, including certain rebates. I'd get the Mercury myself, but get the one you like the best.
Jan 10, 2005 (9:08 pm)
I think the Comfort and Convenience package adds some nice features that requires the LX version of the Crown Vic in order to get. I believe one possible difference is the fabric used in the interior, but again, leather can be had in the GM GS, and not in the Crown Vic base.
You are correct, the GM does have more standard equipment, and it is marketed as the nonfleet version, so most dealerships have a wider selection.
#2410 of 3300 Remote starter problem
Jan 11, 2005 (8:37 am)
Had a remote starter installed on 2000 GM and heater blower no longer worked. Installer (custom radio shop) disclaimed responsibility. Took to our mechanic who found a clip on a wire that shouldn't be there. Had to replace entire module. Lost blower again. Anyone out there had a problem with this? Ready to sue installer!!
#2411 of 3300 that's the problem
Jan 12, 2005 (2:26 am)
with things like aftermarket remote starters--nobody takes responsibility for them and I believe they void the warranty if a problem pops up as a result of having them.
Jan 12, 2005 (8:58 pm)
Same with some aftermarket alarms. You're kind of on your own.
#2413 of 3300 I believe something may be
Jan 15, 2005 (7:07 pm)
wrong with my 2004 CV LX Sport...it has rear air suspension...since I bought it in Aug 2004, I could hear the compressor come on maybe every 2-3 days, for about 1 minute or so and bring the suspenson back up to pressure...for the last 2 weeks, it seems EVERY time I start the car, the pump comes on for a minute...when I went food shopping and came out just 30 minutes later, the pump came on for a minute...could I have a slow (or not-so-slow) air leak, and where would one start looking for the most obvious place for a leak???...or, if Ford has had repetitive problems with this, and I say if, where do the leaks usually occur???...and if it is NOT a leak, where do I start???
Problem #2, also about 2-3 weeks old... intermittent problem with "almost stalling"...the engine almost seems like it is idling 100 rpm too slow, a dash light comes on, and if I touch the gas the light goes out and the car is fine for a few days...the light is on so momentarily that I do not remember which light it is, except that it is red, not amber...what would cause the car not to hold idle (not AM cold fast idle, we are at operating temperature with this), and should the dealer look at both these problems???
Jan 16, 2005 (8:06 am)
With the great incentives being offered by Mercury on the 2005 GM ($4K rebate, $500 credit cash) I went to take a look at one yesterday. I am not thrilled with the styling of the GM over the CV, but for the price it was worth it to take a look.
Upon sitting in the car, the first thing my wife and I noticed was how poorly one fits in the seats. You have to force your upper back backwads in order for your shoulders to rest against the seat back....worse, the headrests are angled so severely forward, your neck is then pushed down so that your chin is almost touching your chest. These seats are a chiropracters dream!
We then took the car for a test drive, and the ride was very unstable and bumpy. Nothing like the '97 CV I am used to riding in. We felt just about every bump on the road....could this be the result of the optional "front stabilizer bar"?
We went to a Ford dealer next, since I thought that maybe the CV had a different seat in it. Well....it DOES! VERY comfortable, and nothing like the GM. Though the headrests are also angled forward, the overall seat design is such that you can lay back in the seat and be perfectly comfortable. Unfortunately, we got to the dealer somewhat late and couldn't get the car out for a test drive. If it is a smooth ride, I think we'll get it.
So, my questions for you fine folks:
1) Would the GM's stabilizer bar cause the ride to be stiffer?
2) I noticed on 3 CVs and the 1 GM that upon starting the engine, when you turn the wheel while in Park you hear the power steering motor making a LOT of noise. Almost as much noise as you would expect from the motor when you have fully turned the wheel all the way right or left....but in this case, it was constant no matter where the wheel was being turned. Normal???
#2415 of 3300 Re: I believe something may be [marsha7]
Jan 16, 2005 (9:25 pm)
All of the Fords I've had with Air suspension have to re-pump each time you start the car, because they settle down when you turn them off and close up the car. That is normal. I wouldn't worry, it sounds like yours is working normally. On your other problem though, I don't know. sorry.
Jan 17, 2005 (10:52 am)
Several months ago I lost one of the center wheel caps on my 94 GM. I stood it as long as I could, but then I had to find one. The dealer wanted $86.63. I had previously checked used car parts dealers, but they insisted on selling me the whole wheel just to get the cap. I bought a perfectly respectable used cap on eBay for $32.99. It has just enough small scratches so it matches the other three. Perfect! Dealer -- you can keep yours! What a rip-off. All that money for a part that's mostly plastic. They should be embarrassed.