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#2312 of 3244 Rear axle problem on '03 GM by gene42 Oct 24, 2004 (11:58 am)
After hearing an axle noise on my '03 GM with 16000 miles on it, I brought it to the dealer for warranty repair. The dealer replaced both rear axle drive shafts, bearings, seals etc. and refilled differential assembly. There was no charge to me and dealer said that there was a recall on the rear axle problem due to faulty materials used at the factory. He said that he has repaired many GM vehicles under the "recall".   I received no notice of such a recall being in effect and wonder why. Was the rear axle problem not consisdered dangerous? Is there such a thing as a "silent recall"? Replies to this message: pantherapardus (Oct 28, 2004 11:13 am) gene42 (Oct 31, 2004 4:08 pm) hotrodlincoln1 (Nov 09, 2004 5:45 pm)
#2313 of 3244 Re: Rear axle problem on '03 GM [gene42] by pantherapardus Oct 28, 2004 (11:13 am)
Replying to: gene42 (Oct 24, 2004 11:58 am) You must be one of the lucky ones in the build dates that follow in this excerpt....2003 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptors and fleet vehicles with body code P70, P71 and p72 built from 10 October 2001 through 04 December 2002 may have defective rear axle shafts. In addition, 2003 Lincoln Town Cars with body codes M84 and M81 built from 14 November 2001 through 03 December 2002 may also have defective axles. Ford said "Due to significant differences in vehicle design and customer usage, the affected vehicles typically input higher loads into the vehicle chassis during fleet usage, overloading the wheel bearings and axles. This may lead to early bearing failure and ultimately, axle shaft fracture. The axle repair kit includes new axle shafts, bearings and seals. I first became aware of this in July 2004, so the recall was from around then. Hope this helps.   wbright Replies to this message: gene42 (Oct 31, 2004 4:08 pm) hotrodlincoln1 (Nov 09, 2004 5:45 pm)
#2314 of 3244 excessive engine noise on start up by pantherapardus Oct 28, 2004 (11:29 am)
Anyone have experience with what sounds like a loud bearing knock on start up? I have a 2003 GM built 2/26/03 that makes more noise than any other GM I have ever heard on start up during the fraction of a second it takes oil pressure to build. Whenever the car sits for over several hours, this usually occurs. Turning the engine over a few revolutions and stopping and then repeating this and allowing it to start normally results in this issue disappearing. Anyone know of a TSB on this issue by chance? Its done it since new and it has 10k on it now. Otherwise its fine. Thanks in advance,   wb
#2315 of 3244 Re: Rear axle problem on '03 GM [pantherapardus] by gene42 Oct 31, 2004 (4:08 pm)
Replying to: pantherapardus (Oct 28, 2004 11:13 am) Thanks for your reply. My main question is why did I not receive notification of the recall. It was only when I brought my car to the dealer on my own did I learn of the recall. I assume that the potential of a broken axle is dangerous enough for Mercury to advise its customers. I have since come across the expression "silent recall" on the Blue Oval website and wonder what it means. Replies to this message: hotrodlincoln1 (Nov 09, 2004 5:45 pm)
#2316 of 3244 I don't know if I have a problem or by marsha7 Nov 02, 2004 (8:28 am)
just a "variation" in my 2004 Crown Vic LX Sport...when I shift directly from Park into Reverse, the tranny immediately engages and I can move backwards...when I am in Drive, and then shift to Reverse, I just sit there for almost 5 to 7 seconds, and then I can hear and feel the tranny engage into Reverse, but that seems like a long time to me...if I shift from Drive to Reverse and touch the gas pedal, it will shift into Reverse quicker, but also seems to "slam" into Reverse, rather than a gentle shift...do I have a problem, or do Crown Vic trannies just shift from Drive to Reverse quite slowly???...
#2317 of 3244 my '98 doesn't do that by iusecad Nov 08, 2004 (10:16 am)
I haven't driven any as new as yours though, but I would think something's up. Did you check the fluid level?
#2318 of 3244 Re: Rear axle problem on '03 GM [gene42] by hotrodlincoln1 Nov 09, 2004 (5:45 pm)
Replying to: gene42 (Oct 31, 2004 4:08 pm) A full-on recall (with customer notification and widespread publication) happens when a defect is dicovered that presents a serious safety problem. Such recalls are often mandated by NHTSA, or are issued by the OEM when they think it is serious enough that NHTSA would require it eventually anyway.   When a company discovers a problem that is not a serious safety problem, they can issue a "silent recall." This is spread to the dealers via Technical Service Bulletin (TSB), but is not otherwise publicized. Ford issues a lot of these, but I have heard of GM and DCX issueing them also.   In the case of the axle problem, I think the reasoning is that the axle will pit badly enough to damage the bearings and cause enough noise to alert the driver long before there is a big risk of the axle breaking. I don't know how true this is, but I think that's the logic.
#2319 of 3244 hotrod by marsha7 Nov 11, 2004 (7:18 pm)
All fluid levels are normal, but thanks for asking...have not been to dealer yet...   Another thought...I realize EPA mileage stickers may not be accurate, but with 6000 miles, I am getting about 20 mpg on the highway...the sticker was 17/25, and I personally know of two Town Cars, much bigger, that get 27-28 mpg on the highway...does my engine have more break-in time, or am I hampered by the slightly different rear end ratio of the LX Sport???...
#2320 of 3244 Air suspension and Ant-Lock Brakes - '93 GM? by hammer19 Nov 14, 2004 (8:00 am)
It's been a while since I wrote into this forum. My '93 GM now has 135,000 miles (216000km) on it and, aside from the normal wear and tear, still runs real good. However, I've developed two issues with it that I've debated fixing over the last couple of months and would like the opinions/experiences of the other forum folks to offer some suggestions. First, my Ant-Lock Brakes light has been on for a while indicating that they do not work anymore. The manual says you can still drive, and I do, with no issues but you should get it fixed. A friend tried to get his fixed on his '93 Lexus and his dealer wanted over $1000CDN! to repair it. I can't afford that kind of cash! Any opinions or previous experiences out there as to if it's necessary or how much it costs to fix? Also, the compressor for my Air Suspension seems to run all the time, even while driving down the street, which tells me that maybe the auto-level air suspension needs to be fixed and\or replaced. Does anyone know what that may cost and if it's worth it? I like this car and need to keep it for 3 more years and winter will be hear soon up in Canada, so I need to make some decisions. Thanks for your help, in advance. Replies to this message: jsylvester (Nov 14, 2004 7:43 pm)
#2321 of 3244 Re: Air suspension and Ant-Lock Brakes - '93 GM? [hammer19] by jsylvester Nov 14, 2004 (7:43 pm)
Replying to: hammer19 (Nov 14, 2004 8:00 am) On the ABS, it sounds like you are saying it no longer works. Have you tried it? It could be as simple as a wheel sensor, which is cheap. I agree, if it is the entire system, I would not fix it. However, if there is no rust 135k miles is not a big deal on a 90's Grand Marquis - they will run a long time.   On the air suspension, when you park the car, does one corner or the other of the rear of the car sag over time? That would indicate one of the rear air bags is leaking. It could also be the level position sensor is bad, or the a switch to turn it the compressor on and off is not working.   Check out this website:   http://www.arnottindustries.com

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