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#21 of 3244 crash test by btroy Mar 14, 2000 (6:47 pm)
Sean, I noticed that, too. These cars and the Towncar all share the same "platform", but I guess that doesn't mean the Towncar has the same frame or crush dynamics. It primarily means they have the same engine and transmission and probably a hundred other components. Or maybe it's just the difference in weight that changes the equation. If you want a car with side head air bags, excellent crash test results and for it also to be affordable-- good luck. I've looked, too and I can't come up with a good choice without jumping up another $10k+ in price over the CV. Personally, I'm hoping that the next Crown Vic redesign will bring all that together. Meanwhile, the only thing that even comes close is a Ford Taurus. Or you could wear a helmet On the other hand, for the price of a Towncar, maybe you are in price range of a Volvo. You might want to check out the S70 or S80.
#22 of 3244 Crown Vic Vs. Town Car by seany Mar 15, 2000 (4:31 am)
To btroy: I've looked at both the Saab 9-5 and the Volvo S-80. I think these are probably the safest sedans on the road. I would buy one today if I could get the seat belts to fit properly. The seat belts in both these cars fit way up around my neck, and I can't adjust them. I test drove the Lexus LS-400. The seat belts are adjustable and the car drives like a dream. The Lexus has a fairly good safety rating, but it's too expensive for me. I like the BMW 528i, but I feel cramped in it. I was hoping Ford would add more safety equipment to the Crown Vic. I would love it if they would add side air bags, and Volvo S-80 seats.
#23 of 3244 new safety features by btroy Mar 16, 2000 (6:53 pm)
Sean, you hit the nail on the head. That would make a great package and put the CV in direct competition with several of the world's finest automobiles. I hope Ford is listening. I've been hoping that Ford would add to the CV all the safety features they put in the 2000 Taurus (side air bags with head protection, dual-stage air bags, belt pretensioners and force-limiters, etc), but I never thought of incorporating the Ford-owned Volvo WHIPS seat. That package would get a lot of attention and be almost unbeatable at any price. The only reason I can think of for not doing that is maybe Ford doesn't want to invest in boosting sales of the CV due to the CAFE restrictions. I think they would really rather sell the Focus, Taurus and Trukasaurus Gigantus.
#24 of 3244 Concerned with Grand Marquis by weltron Mar 16, 2000 (10:54 pm)
Hi, I am new to this forum. I took the time to read all the entries (it took awhile, but was worth it) I recently purchased a 95 GM LS with 38,000 miles on it.The car is electric currant red metallic with what I would call dark maroon leather interior. I looked at many used Crown vics and many GM and this was the only one I seen with this combo and just fell in love with it. It also had everything digital (which is what I wanted) and the look of all the electronics against all that maroon and the faux wood trim was just it for me. I started reading the forums before and after I purchased the car. I did find this sight and a couple others after I bought the car. The concerns I have are what I have been reading here about early Ford 4.6 burning oil usually around 90,000 miles. I have not seen any one say if Ford corrected this problem, When they did, is mine one of the early ones, and what was the problem. I would have to sell mine at 85,000 miles if this is the case. Then I have read that the 4.6 is bulletproof alot. So I am getting confused as to what to believe or think. I also have read about the tranny shudder problem, so I had my fluid changed at Lincoln Mercury including the torque converter after I bought the car. I also read in another forum that you should keep the RPM's down because of the torque converter ballooning because it is to big and to thin. Sorry to ramble on, but I am a little concerned. Thanks. Kevin P.S. I forgot to say that after I bought the car I had the silent exhaust removed and had a catback system installed with some turbo mufflers to give it some sound. I did not want the sound of my old 400 small block Nova made, but some sound out of that V8. If you have not done this mod yet DO IT!! You will not be sorry, the sound this V8 makes is great. I am 37 and haul 3 kids and the wife around and can still be a kid when I want to be. (HA HA)
#25 of 3244 Weltron (relax) by golfnut5 Mar 17, 2000 (3:11 am)
I had a 95 GM and 131,000 miles on it without burning one drop of oil. The 4.6 is bulletproof. The tranny shudder was a minor problem, I just put up with it. I am taking delivery of a new (spruce green) GM this Saturday. The tranny shudder has been fixed on the 2000's and the engine is still bulletproof.
#26 of 3244 No more tranny shudder? by cebuano Mar 17, 2000 (6:08 am)
That's good news since I'll be taking delivery on my 2000 CV tomorrow. What did they do to correct the problem?
#27 of 3244 Thanks golfnut by weltron Mar 17, 2000 (12:35 pm)
Hearing about your 95 GM makes me feel better. What oil did you use? When did the shudder show itself? I have not felt it as of yet.
#28 of 3244 More Noise? by btroy Mar 17, 2000 (9:40 pm)
Hi Weltron, thanks for your post and I hope you are enjoying your new cherry GM. As far as your advice to put on the loud mufflers, I think I'll pass. I honestly don't understand why modifying your car to make *more* noise could ever be a good thing. I know a lot of people do it, especially to Harleys, but take it from me: nobody is impressed by your noisy car (especially the neighbor who is trying to sleep when you come in late or leave early in the morning and can't resist gunning it a few times). Just thought you should know.
#29 of 3244 It's not that loud. by weltron Mar 17, 2000 (10:15 pm)
Btroy, I decided to put the duals on because the car had stock single exhaust. This let the car finally breath and exhale. The guy who did mine is a good friend with his own shop. Before I allowed him to start there was a definite understanding I wanted the lowest noise possible without being silent. When I picked up the car it had the perfect sound. On the highway or driving normal it is almost silent. Giving decent throttle produces a nice mellow tone. The last thing I would want to do is wake somebody up.
#30 of 3244 Not Sure by golfnut5 Mar 18, 2000 (2:07 am)
Cebuano, I am not sure what Ford did to correct the shudder problem. I read several reviews recently of the GM and both reviews indicated that the shudder problem had been corrected. I also test drove several GM recently and did not notice the problem. I am taking delivery tomorrow of a 2000 GM and the dealer insured me that Ford has corrected the shudder problem.

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