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#1989 of 3244 only 12-13mpg? by iusecad Aug 15, 2003 (9:30 am)
Even my old Vic gets 15 in the city and 25 on the hwy.   sorry I can't help with the paint.
#1990 of 3244 Intake manifold compatibility? by pkwdena Aug 15, 2003 (5:04 pm)
Does anyone know if the cast metal manifold of a 94' CV fits the resin one in a 97' GM? I haven't had any problems with the resin manifold with 130,000 miles on the GM, but was wondering if it will fail over the next 100,000 miles that I expect to get from it.
#1991 of 3244 2003 GM LSE by marsha7 Aug 16, 2003 (6:52 pm)
I began considering the possibility of buying a 2003 CV or GM, and read the Edmunds description...as a fan of floor shifters, I did not consider these because they only have column shifters (not really interested in a Marauder)...anyway, I am reading and lo and behold, the GM has a model LSE with front buckets and a floor shifter and performance package, possibly the perfect car...after eading about 100 posts, I find that the LSE is discontinued...how many did they make, when did they stop production, and doe the CV also have a version with buckets and a floor shifter...were enough LSEs made that I might find a used one in a year or so that was traded in, or did they only make 3 of them for the entire country (half sarcastic question)...anyway, the thought that Mercury would install a floor shifter and buckets really got me going, but have my dreams been dashed before even getting off the ground???...(you realize that if the CV had the package the problem is solved)...one reason for the GM over CV in any case, at least according to Edmunds list of standard equipment, is that the CV has manual lumbar supports while the GM has motorized lumbra supports, both driver and passenger, making the GM the better car, in my mind, as it did not seem that CV offered motorized lumbar supports...if anyone can correct me, feel free to do so...thanks for any help offered...
#1992 of 3244 A quick added comment by marsha7 Aug 16, 2003 (6:56 pm)
I happen to believe that the Mountaineer looks much sharper and better equipped than Explorer, but both are offered with column shift only (to buy an Aviator for the floor shifter is too much $$$)...if the Mountaineer offered a floor shifter I would probably buy one tomorrow, but they seem stuck in the same rut (FYI...Taurus and Sable offer both a bench seat/column or a bucket seat/floor shifter option, why can't the other larger Ford vehicle do the same???...plus, if they can put one in an Aviator, then the cost is truly minimal for Expl/Mountaineer...just my random thoughts)...
#1993 of 3244 marsha7: Seen the CV LX 'Sport ' yet? by kinley Aug 17, 2003 (11:12 am)
#1994 of 3244 Used LSEs + "why & wherefore" - by harmar Aug 17, 2003 (5:47 pm)
Marsha7: A buddy, now retired from Ford, tells me the "interactions" between various design departments is very intense. Trade-offs and concessions are made to come up with a final product that (they believe) will sell. Economics (and bean counters)plays a large part in that process. GM (CV to a lesser extent) has been seen as an older driver's choice of auto. The Marauder was an attempt to win over some other drivers, as was the stiffened ride in the '03 GM/CV. (Then, they goofed by overpricing, and not giving it the "oomph" speedsters wanted, the Marauder, and ticked off some of us -- see previous posts here -- with the GM/CV ride change!) Center consoles apparently do not sell all that well with the driver who typically buys GM. ----- As for consumers' desires, predicting them is serious business and highly prone to error. Every manufacturer has produced models that just don't sell well. That's one reason they stick with a design, making minor changes, as long as it sells. (Tooling cost savings are another.) Buyers can customize as much as they want from a manufacturer's "available options." Costs would go too high if every option were made available to every model produced. ----- Used LSEs are available (use one of the online car look-ups), though you may have to be willing to drive a-ways to get one. The drive can be worth the savings, too. I saved ~$13,000 (off new retail price) on a year-old GM program car, with 16K miles on it, by driving 120 miles. Good luck.
#1995 of 3244 by jjgittes Aug 18, 2003 (9:11 am)
I just drove a Marauder. Pretty cool, but way overpriced. The dealer wanted $29k plus (after rebates applied). The CV sport looks good too, and can be had for about $23.5k, but they have about 60 less HP, or in other words, the same HP as an Accord 6 cyl, but they obviously weigh much more, and depreciate much faster. The CV sport for $20 or 21k out the door might be a decent deal for someone who really favors big rwd cars, but for anyone on the fence, its hard to fall over to the Ford side.
#1996 of 3244 Hard to Fall Over to the Ford Side?? by dbc123 Aug 18, 2003 (3:38 pm)
A state of the art overhead cam V8 engine, hydroformed frame with machined cast aluminum front crossmember and front suspension, speed sensitive rack and pinion steering, the largest interior, largest front seats, largest trunk not to mention the quietest, best isolated ride - all this for about $3000 more than an econobox 4 cyl, front drive, unit body Accord or Camry. I propose it's hard to "fall over" to these far lesser cars for the small price difference. They represent an incredible value!!
#1997 of 3244 GM LSE by dbc123 Aug 18, 2003 (3:46 pm)
marsha7 - a couple of local dealers (central florida) still have a few new LSE's - they were discontinued around the first of the year. The CV LX Sport is essentially the same car as the LSE except that it gets larger 17 inch wheels and tires. Both the CV LX and Sport get power lumbar seats left and right.
#1998 of 3244 by jjgittes Aug 18, 2003 (4:09 pm)
A "state of the art" engine that produces no more horsepower than a Honda v6 (which can be bought for less money, and will not depreciate thru the floor the day you buy it)?? Don't get me wrong, I like the crown vics, but unless you can get an very exceptional deal to offset the ridiculous depriciation, or you simply must have a trunk that can fit something unusually large that may need to be buried quickly, the (civilian) market speaks every day about the "value" these cars represent at the price they are offered.

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