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#1899 of 3244 nordinsr by johnclineii Jun 01, 2003 (2:36 am)
CV vs. GM:   a. CV is used in fleets, police and taxi service. As such, it depreciates MUCH faster than the GM. If you are going to buy used and keep a very long time, this works very much to your advantage. If you ever need to sell the car, this works to your disadvantage, unless you have already driven the wheels off of it!   b. GM's cost a WEE bit more to start. GM's are not confused with police cars, which can be a plus and a minus in some very limited circumstances.   c. If dealer servicing is an issue, be sure to compare the Ford and Mercury dealers in your area, if they be separate.   d. In some states, CV's are cheaper to insure. In others, GMs are. In still others, there is no difference. The delta, when it exists, is normally very small.   e. GM's are readily available used with more options than CV's typically are. There are a LOT more GM's sold at retail than CV's. GM's sell the best in Florida.   Hope that helps!
#1900 of 3244 94 CV/GM by dbc123 Jun 01, 2003 (6:35 pm)
Job one date for the 04 CV/GM is July 28. The changes are very few and involve more decontenting - door handles on the CV are black, secondary sun visor only on driver side, body colored outside mirrors are now all black, small changes to the overhead console, etc. This in addition to the major removal of features on 12/1/02 which included removal of the automatic parking brake release, fuel filler door release, front seat storage pouches, under hood light, blacked out "B" pillars, clock in the dash. Soon the cars will come with only 3 wheels!!! It is a travesty what Ford has done to these cars to save a few cents.......
#1901 of 3244 03 GM Owner by dbc123 Jun 01, 2003 (6:54 pm)
My previous post was to alert others and maybe let Ford know that we do not approve of these foolish cost cutting measures. My new 03 GM LS (pre 12/02 build date) is a very satisfying car - but I did keep my 94 GM LS with 143,000 miles and in several important respects, the 94 is the superior car...
#1902 of 3244 decontenting by peeete Jun 02, 2003 (5:08 am)
Gee, the Impala is starting to look pretty good (:
#1903 of 3244 Impala? by dbc123 Jun 02, 2003 (7:35 am)
V6, front wheel drive, unibody Impala is no match for a CV/GM. Impala's approach is OK for small, inexpensive, econoboxes but the unique feel of V8 rear drives is far more satisfying in large sedans..
#1904 of 3244 dbc by peeete Jun 02, 2003 (8:50 am)
no argument from me about that. The CV/GM torque rush is fantastic. I have a G35 which is a faster car and RWD, but it still doesnt have the same "feel" as a V8.   The decontenting is a problem I think. THe CV/GM are comparatively "featureless" when compared to to other cars (the Impala for example). I seem to recall that there are 3 buttons on the overhead console that have no use..I think they were homelink buttons. If they were it kinda stinks to take out such a cheap useful option.
#1905 of 3244 Quiet inside??? by dmers Jun 03, 2003 (7:02 am)
Can anyone tell me what the Lexus and Mercedes auto companies do to make their cars more quiet inside and what Merc/Lincoln are not doing (at least that is what the car magazines tell us). My 2000 Merc GM has engine and wind noise as well as some rear wheel/tire noise that I feel is normal, but could be improved.   I know car companies use to advertise interior dB sound levels years ago and Ford was always quite good in this area.   PS. Ford may want a stripped down entry level CV/GM but they had better keep the top of the line versions as well or they will surely lose market share. The CV/GM may not be the best but, $ for $ these cars cannot be beat in value or ride.   Even the Japanese are coping Ford body styles as the standard in cars and trucks. Ex. Infinity M, Toyoto, Kia (Korean), etc.
#1906 of 3244 Quiet Cars by dbc123 Jun 03, 2003 (11:41 am)
High end auto manufacturers spend much more on sound deadners and pay more attention to sealing and under body aerodynamics resulting in quieter cars. I've long contended that the 92-94 TC/GM/CV were the quietest american cars ever built. After the 98 redesign these cars were noticably noiser in regards to engine and road noise - a key factor in my refusing to give up my 94 until now. I'm happy to report that the extensive redesign for 03 has resulted in a much quieter car - about the equal to my 94 but with much improved structural rigidity and vastly improved steering. If you don't mind the stiffer ride of the new ones you will probably like the other changes.
#1907 of 3244 GM/CV safety issues by p100 Jun 05, 2003 (6:21 pm)
I saw a TV documentary that a number of CV police vehicles caught on fire when hit hard in the rear. This is due to gas tank rupture by deformed metal and subsequent fuel ignition. In some cases the car occupants were seriously burned, even killed. This looks like a serious safety issue to me. At first Ford denied that there is a safety hazard here (what is new: recall the Pinto exploding fuel tank), but when a number of states decided not to buy any more of their CV police cars, they apparently promised to retrofit vehicles with some kind of protective shield for the gas tank. Does somebody know more about this? Do new 03s have a gas tank protective shield installed? And I mean a shield for all CV/GM vehicles, not just police verisons.

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