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#1749 of 3244 GM and Marauder by 99windstar Jan 21, 2003 (11:59 am)
Technically the Marauder is a Grand Marquis with option code 300A or 300B (depending on when it was built.) So I guess it's appropriate.   I read somewhere that the GM LSE was being discontinued. I haven't priced them, but I also heard they were pretty close to the Marauder in price and may have been seen as "internal competition."   Speaking of which, I haven't heard or read that the CV LX Sport is dead. Seems to be pretty popular around these parts. But ALL GM/CV sales are down.   My take on the CV LX Sport was this: very nice car. But at the time it was only $3,000 - $4,000 less than a Marauder.   That is, I could have bought the CV for about $26,000 - 27,000 locally. The Marauder was $30,000. The Marauder seemed like a better buy. This was back in November when the Marauder rebate was $2,000.   With Marauders going for $29,000 now (or less) - $25,000 sounds about right for a CV LX Sport.
#1750 of 3244 Re: Lottery & Ugggly cars - by harmar Jan 22, 2003 (5:59 am)
Some years back, A PA couple sold their home, furniture, etc., & spent all the profits trying to cover every possible combination of numbers. Need I say what they won? A few tickets hit to the tune of several hundred dollars.   A college prof once calculated what it would take to buy every possible combination. It would take a wealthy person who had a lot of $$$ of his own or a lot of wealthy friends. If you're already wealthy, there are surer methods of making more money. Probably, tax free methods.   Anyone waiting to win a lottery to pay for a Maurader will need an awful lot of luck as well as a long lifespan.   "Ugggly," like "beauty," is in the eye of the beholder. My CO in the Army had a pink '57 Olds 98. He thought it was "ugggly," but his wife loved it. After he'd had a few beers, though, the car looked a lot prettier to him.
#1751 of 3244 by tomcat630 Jan 22, 2003 (9:08 am)
"CV's go boom".   Sounds like another media fanatic who likes to take a small sound bite and run with it.   Any car goes boom if hit by a drunk at 80. And it's not the same sitiation as the Pinto. Those would possibly burn if the gas cap was missing, but it was never proven to be faulty. Look it up and I dare anyone to rear end a similar vintage Vega or Gremlin and see if it is safe.
#1752 of 3244 by rea98d Jan 22, 2003 (10:16 am)
My understanding of the lottery (the topic, Rob, the Topic!) is that if the odds are, say, 1 in 15 million, there are 15 million combinations of numbers, and only one that will win. So to buy all 15 million at a dollar a pop, you'd need 15 million dollars. And if the jackpot was 8 or 10 million, you'd be going in the hole. So you let the jackpot climb above the odds, say to 30 million, buy all 15 million dollars in tickets, and you've doubled your money on just the 30 million jackpot, not to mention all the smaller prizes you'd get for matching 3, 4, or 5 numbers. Of course, just the act of physically buying 15 million lottery tickets could take a while, so....   What this has to do with the Grand Marquis, I'm still trying to figure out....
#1753 of 3244 and that all goes down the tubes by iusecad Jan 22, 2003 (10:20 am)
if there's a 2nd or 3rd person with winning numbers... (I too have thought of this when the Powerball gets up to $200m)
#1754 of 3244 Lottery - Someone already did this by cfocfo Jan 22, 2003 (3:02 pm)
A few years back someone did buy every chance in a $100 million drawing.   It was an extremely well planned project involving many people that would purchase their designated series of numbers. The main trick was having all these people get all their tickets before the drawing. The article said to get their tickets, it would take hours at the "7-11" and many had to go back to the end of the line (they were holding up other people interested in the "big" pot), to complete their series of numbers. The second risk was how many winnners there would be as iusecad said. The break even point for this lottery was maybe 5 to 6 people. Of course if there was only the 1 winner, they did Great ! Well, there turned out to be ~ 4 winners, if I remember right, and the group made some money. However, when asked if they would do it again, they said no, because the risk & thought of not covering every ticket in the process did not warrant what they made.   BTW, I can't believe the Host monitoring this thread has not stopped these Off-The-Subject posts ?! Edmunds seems to be so tight on other threads.   "He says after discussing the lottery"
#1755 of 3244 Heh! by pat HOST Jan 22, 2003 (3:30 pm)
Well, you ARE right, this lottery conversation is way off topic!   So I'll take the hint and ask folks to get back to the subject, or at the very least keep the conversation to cars, preferably at least related to the subject vehicles.
#1756 of 3244 Crown Vic and Grand Marquis: Full- Or Mid-Size? by randpall3863 Jan 23, 2003 (9:14 am)
The last model year I saw a true Crown Victoria or Grand Marquis made was the 1991 model year. Starting the following model year, they were shrunk. It is in body length and passenger room.     I have parked my mid-size Marquis Brougham beside both that are still classified as full-size. The body lengths and passenger rooms are the same. But the Marquis Brougham is called mid-size. The current Grand Marquis and Crown Victorias are classified as full-size. The only thing bigger on those are their wheels and engine.     It seems there is no longer a true full-size car. It includes these 2 models. I would like to see the true full-size brought back. I hope it is. It is these 2 models.
#1757 of 3244 lottery talk- by iusecad Jan 23, 2003 (10:26 am)
actually, it just may be on topic, as so many people in Town Hall think buying a Ford is a huge gamble...
#1758 of 3244 by rea98d Jan 23, 2003 (10:40 am)
"The current Grand Marquis and Crown Victorias are classified as full-size. The only thing bigger on those are their wheels and engine."   Actually, the engines are smaller. The 4.6 Liter engine used in all Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, Marauders, and Town Cars (did I miss any variations?) all equal 280.3 cubic inches, which Ford gratuitously fudges up to 281 on the spec sheets. In previous years, the cars have used 302 and 351 cubic inch engines. A few 255 cubic inch V-8's were offered for a couple of years in the early 80's, but there are without a doubt the worst V-8's Ford ever made, are very rare, and nobody wants them. I pray every one of them got melted down to make rebar or something. Back in the 70's, 351, 400, 429, and even 460 cubis inch engines were offered. Engines in the "full size" cars, like the cars themselves, are shrinking.   That being said, the 92-03 Crown Vics and Grand Marquiss are built on the same chassis and suspension (more or less. They make improvements over the years) as the '79-'91 models, and have comperable interior space. What they don't have is the square, formal styling that the older cars have, and the more contemporary, "rounded-off" look makes the cars seem smaller than their predecessors, when in reality they are the same size. If you wan the last of the "real" full size cars, you have to go all the way back to 1978, when the cars actually were considerably bigger, and could still be ordered with the massive 460 CID V-8. Just be sure you've paid up your gas card before you buy one!

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