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#1561 of 3244 Re: replacing air ride by dbc123 Sep 17, 2002 (1:52 pm)
The shocks have nothing to do with the air springs. They are "springs". You can replace the air springs with steel coil springs for about $250 parts and an equal amount for labor or you can replace the air springs for about the same amount of money. This assumes the rest of the air spring system(compressor,sensors,tubing,etc.)is functioning properly.
#1562 of 3244 Firm Ride by dmers Sep 18, 2002 (9:17 am)
I feel that Mercury is addressing the complaints of the Automotive Magazine people that say the GM is soft through the twistys. I generally, feel those folks don't know much anyway. After all, I don't read complaints about outdated rear wheel drive, poor mileage, and expensive high octane fuel on BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, and Lexus automobiles.         If I want to go through the twistys, I take my '91 Miata stick shift; if I want to go from point A to B quick, I take my '86 Honda 1100 CC Magna; but, If I want to drive up 300 miles to Chicago to visit my daughter and haul a lot of her stuff, I take the '00 Merc GM. I expect a good ride on a long haul with passing power. I also expect 150K miles out of the vehicle.          Those Auto mag guys grew up thinking a MiniVan/SUV is the state of the art in ride quality and good mileage. I have a '90 Ford Pickup to get that kind of ride and mileage.
#1563 of 3244 by dch36 Sep 18, 2002 (1:19 pm)
I'm interested in more low-end torque. Right now my 2000 mgm has single exhaust and the 2.73:1 axle. How much additional power can I expect going to duals? going to 3.27:1? Is the cost even worth it? I love my car, but would like to get the most out of the small-block v8. Thanks in advance.
#1564 of 3244 hard ride in 2003 GM by genex1 Sep 18, 2002 (3:02 pm)
In response to the person from GB, I can say that I am also the happy owner of a 2003 GM LS. I too noted the slightly harder ride which accompanies the better handling. Frankly, I don't understand what consumers seek when they opt for a "handling" package or complain about a "squishy" ride. I had a 1996 GM before this one and it didn't seem to hold the road on turns as well as my 2003. The speed sensitive steering in the 2003 gives me a feeling of a more solid ride but again I don't know what what people want from better handling.   Does a feeling of solid control on the road have to be a trade off for smooth riding over bumps?   I would point out that Mercury made a special point of touting the new suspension features of the 2003. To my untrained view, these features result in a more stable but perhaps less cushiony ride. I suspect that the firming up of the 2003 relates to the introduction of the Marauder which shares a common platform. I doubt that Mercury would want to go through the expense of separate frames for the Marauder and the GM so the the GM has benefited (or suffered) from this.   Lowering the tire pressure (within prescibed limits) might help the rough ride a bit. I am not sure whether I prefer having a firmer ride over a softer ride if that becomes a choice. Again the 2003 GM spells out extensive suspension changes which sound pretty good to my untrained ear.   Incidentally, where and under what circumstances can a GM be bought in Britain? What about the location of the driver's position?   I think I like my 2003 GM very much but I am very suggestible and until the posting about the smoothness of the ride, I thought it was doing well on that score.
#1565 of 3244 by rea98d Sep 18, 2002 (6:22 pm)
So did the '03 Town Car get the firmer ride as well? I thought the whole reason people bought these cars were because they were roomy and comfortable. Maybe Ford should start to divide the lineup here a little bit. Crown Vics are the universal cop car. Give the Crown Vic the firmer ride. Leave the Grand Marquis and Town Car their tried & true comforable selves. Maybe some differentiation between the models would actually help sales.
#1566 of 3244 by jsylvester Sep 18, 2002 (6:49 pm)
Anybody compare the ride to an 03 Buick LeSabre?
#1567 of 3244 03 CV, GM,& TC have the same ride, Thank you. by kinley Sep 19, 2002 (9:05 am)
dch36: Keep the 2.73 and twin out the exhaust which may increase your hp by as much as 10%. You will appreciate the economy axle more than the possible performance.
#1568 of 3244 GM in GB by james130 Sep 19, 2002 (10:06 am)
genex1 In answer to your question re GM in Britain.There is a small specialist market over here for American vehicles,which is serviced by a number of specialist dealers who import,convert as neccesary for legislation purposes,and register the vehicle for you.We are allowed left hand drive vehicles so the driver position is the same as yours.This is not as frightening as you may think.One soon gets used to it.Cadillac tried to sell right hand drive versions of the 98-00 Savilles,but pulled out of the market through lack of sales.Chrysler do well with RHD Jeeps,and Neon,but the general lack of understanding of American cars,makes companies very weary about tooling up for RHD conversions.My last four cars have all been left hand drive.93 Park Avenue; 97 LHS; 00 LHS, and now my new GM.So you can see I am quite an enthusiast.Best Wishes
#1569 of 3244 more on the 2003 GM ride by genex1 Sep 19, 2002 (6:07 pm)
James 130: Since your post on the matter, I have been trying to discern the comparative ride quality of my GM. I can't be sure that the ride is harder than my 96GM but according to the GM literature the new suspension system on the 2003 is supposed to be whiz bang and presumably appealing to those who want "performance handling" whatever that is. Kinsley says that the ride for the CV, the GM and the Town Car is the same. I accept his assertion but it seems odd that the Town Car would not have a slightly softer ride.   I'd like to hear more of what led you to buy a GM in Britain (where in Britain incidentally?) It seems that with the cost of petrol and the typically narrow roads in your beautiful country, one would have to be quite deliberate in wanting to drive an unmodified GM there.   Gene
#1570 of 3244 by dch36 Sep 21, 2002 (8:56 am)
Kinley, thanks for your sound (!) advice from one of the more trusted veterans in Town Hall. I'll do just that. I was especially honored to get more than the usual "title only" words

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