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Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#624 of 1641 Hyundai's are nice but still a Honda fan...
Jan 08, 2001 (3:35 pm)
For what it's worth I used to sell guitars... The BEST guitars back at the beginning
of time were the Gibsons and Fenders built in the USA. Then they started importing
cheaper models from Japan (cheaper labor etc)... After 3-4 years the quality went
WAY up as well as the price... My Takamine lists at 1899 and 10 years ago it
would have been a $500 price tag at best.
So then they went to Korea once Ibanez, Tak etc were considered legitimate 'proffesional quality' guitars. At first the guitars coming out of Korea were crap again, but after a year
or two, they too improved radically but the prices started creaping up as well (see the pattern here?). Before I quit they went to Indonesian or some African country (I can't recall) and I sent back the entire batch of 50 guitars since they looked more like archery bows rather than guitars..
But if they kept at it, I imagine they improved the quality. If you stay at something long enough
unless you are Homer Simson or the Chicago Cubs, you almost HAVE to improve somewhat..
By the way I have a 1990 CRX SI (voted THE most fun car you can drive in 1988 by Automobile magazine and probably still holds true today) . I just bought a 92 Pathfinder (since it seemed to handle the best out of everything I drove). I've totalled 5 Hondas.. Not something to be necessarily proud of... But the ONLY way they break is if you don't put oil in them or drive them into trees or other cars... Total mileage: 1st civic: 90k brakes and clutch -crash, 2nd: civic 70k 100% stock -crash, 3rd: civic 143k tires/brakes clutch, alternator (due to stereo amp), 4th: 89 accord SI 194k tires/clutch/timing belt/ power window motor (water leaked in after
10 years). This one did lose 5th gear at 120k which totally surprized me... Poor oil flow
to 5th gear and lots of hwy miles I was told loosened/warped the shift fork which eventually broke..
5th: 80k (first CRX ( rolled it) all still stock). .. Current CRX is at 126k and still buries the needle at 125mph (Just ask the judge) and other than tires and brakes, timing belt and battery is still 100% STOCK parts (ok I forgot, the muffler rotted after 10 years) and it could use new CV joints and a valve adjustment. Also I don't think the stock clutch is going to hold out much longer due to my heavy driving.
Castrol syntec and prolong fuel treatment help a bunch! ) If you don't drive like I do, a Honda
could last you a lifetime. Are you listening DETROIT?
Jan 08, 2001 (5:35 pm)
wow avsfan, totalled 3 cars and pulled over for going 125mph...no wonder our insurance rates are so high!
#626 of 1641 Still hard to decide
Jan 09, 2001 (6:30 am)
We'll the decisions are still hard. I didn't get around to those other test drives yesterday but I'm going to tonight. Then on Thursday I'll test drive my three top choices again (at different dealerships) to help decide.
I looked at a Y2K Elantra, it's an entirely different car then the 2001. It seems well built, but somewhat cheap. In contrast, the 2001 seems as though it should cost more than it does. The only thing is the metal's a bit thin on the Elantra (in comparison to my other two choices). That doesn't mean it isn't a well built car, but it might dent and ding a little more easily. I guess Hyundai had to cut corners somewhere to keep the Elantra cheaper than the competition. Still, Hyundai has finally hit the nail on the head with it's latest generation of cars. The Santa Fe especially seems to be changing minds about Hyundai. Of course, that probably means in a few years Hyundai will be overpriced like all the other imports.
You know, one of the things that impressed me most about the Hyundai was that it showed the position the auto was in on the dashboard. It seems a rare feature these days. I mean, you could look down at the shifter to see what position it was in, but in between the tach and the speedometer it had a series of bright green LED's with the current mode circled. It was a thoughtful touch by Hyundai. I'd still prefer a manual though. I could step down to the GL model, but it lacks airconditioning which is a $2000 option. Apparently the entire dashboard has to be removed to add A/C in the Hyundai. At least in the states the one model can be equipped with either transmission.
#627 of 1641 Should mention
Jan 09, 2001 (6:41 am)
Since I'm test driving the Candian models, I should mention the equivalent American model
Protege GT(2001)-don't know if there is an American equivalent.
Protege SE-same as ES (why they're reversed is beyond me, but in Canada SE used to be for the "Special Edition" model)
Elantra VE-similar to GLS automatic
Elantra GL-no equivalent
Golf GL-identical but Canadian version doesn't have A/C standard (money grab on VW's part, since almost everyone orders it).
Jan 09, 2001 (7:55 am)
Maybe VW thinks that standard a/c on their least expensive car in Canada is dumb. Is the price lower because of no a/c than the U.S. Golf GL, with standard a/c?
Maybe they think, like me, that Canada is this cold icy place and that some could live without a/c??
Jan 09, 2001 (3:45 pm)
Well, it is cheaper, but not by much. Still if everyone is going to order it, why not make it standard?
The joy of living in Canada is that it *is* an icy cold place in the winter, but almost as hot as Texas in the summer. In the nation's capital (where I live) temperatures can get as low as -20 Farenheit with the windchill, yet in the summer it can reach 104. Generally though the summer temp is in the low to mid 80's. We always seem to have a heat wave though when my cousin from Ft. Worth flys up.
#630 of 1641 Qoute on 2001 Civic EX Sedan - Manual
Jan 09, 2001 (9:28 pm)
Just curious. I was qouted $16100 (w/o Tax & TTL) for a Manual 2001 Honda Civic EX Sedan. No other charges. How does it stack up. I bought from the dealer before and he says he is gving me a great deal. Please enlighten me.
Jan 10, 2001 (2:18 pm)
anything from Invoice to +300$ is a very good deal
I guess, Honda will declare special APR in the month of Feb/March. U can take advantage of that too. Honda has target of 350K Civics this year.
#632 of 1641 Final test drives
Jan 11, 2001 (2:49 pm)
I'll briefly summarize the rest of the cars:
Ford Focus: wonderful car but too many recalls
Chyrsler Neon: Not enough headroom
Kia Sephia: cheap
Toyota Echo: ugly and weird
Today I test drove my top three again, back to back. The only difference was that I got a 2001 Protégé this time instead of a 2000 (they just came in this week). The new 2001 model doesn't drive any differently, even though the engine has been upped to 2.0L (you'd notice it in an automatic though). However it is far more stylish than the previous generation both outside and inside. It stands the middle ground between the Golf and Elantra both in perception and in price, so it will probably be my choice, but don't make any bets yet. Odd how my top three choices managed to be in the low, middle, and high parts of my price range.
#633 of 1641 Honda vs Hyundai
Jan 11, 2001 (6:11 pm)
I have been looking for a small car for a while and would like to get a used Honda Civic DX. A dealer nearby has a 1997 with 48K miles for $9,500. I baulked because it was at the top end of what I wanted to spend.
Today the dealer called back and said he had a 2000 Hyundai Elantra with 6,300 miles for $8,300.
I don't have experience with the Hyundai make but
began reading up on them.
Any opinions out there? The vehicle would be mainly used for commuting to school.