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You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#53 of 1641 Elantra v. Honda et al
Mar 24, 2000 (5:33 pm)
There really is an issue of underequipped Japanese cars compared with Hyundai. I felt that a bit when comparing Elantra with a Civic but it was glaring where Toyota was concerned. A Corolla mid-level model (SE) not only did not have power sideview mirrors, as does the Elantra, the Corolla's mirror assemblies were immovable, meaning that in a brush-by the mirrors would not bend but would rip the door off. The Corolla 5-speed also lacked a tachometer. It was offered to me, after considerable bargaining, at just under $14,000. I paid $11,500 for my Elantra and that even included a Clifford security system. I realize the Toyota would hold value better - though even that's in question as Hyundais become more popular, and I see more and more of them. Meanwhile, I have many amenities I would not have with a Japanese car, and $2,500 extra in my pocket. As for Consumer Reports, which several posters mention, it is not your father's CR. Although Hyundais are becoming increasingly popular, CR has not tested one since January 1997 and includes no frequency-of-repair information on any Hyundai model. CR's recommended small car, the Mazda Protege, sells (according to CR) for $17,000 - half again as much as an Elantra, double an Accent.
Mar 24, 2000 (8:11 pm)
"I realize the Toyota would hold value better -"
Yes, I would hope so considering it would have cost you more. So in the end it evens out.
small car, the Mazda Protege, sells (according to
CR) for $17,000 - half again as much as an Elantra,
double an Accent."
The Protege is an excellent car, but with that price it is hard to justify. The Protege is not 4 to $5,000 dollars better than the Elantra!
#55 of 1641 Why CR has no information?
Mar 24, 2000 (8:24 pm)
With some research, here's what I found on Hyundai;
The Accent has been out since 1995.
The newly designed Elantra has been out since 1995.
The Sonata has had different model changes, each step with vast improvements, since 1989.
Yet, all the Hyundai models have "insufficient data".
Even still, Consumer Reports only do "predictable reliability rating".
Thus Consumer Reports is not a good source to find reliability data on Hyundais or any other models for that matter.
J.D Powers which put Hyundai ahead of Mitsubishi, and in the territory of Chrysler and GM, maybe a better indication of reliability. But they only measure initial quality. Toyota Corolla tops out the economy class in initial quality, but as Car Point's reliabilty rating link shows, Toyota's quality becomes worse and worse as the cars age, which JD Powers does not measure. That's why you saw millions of Toyota Corollas 5 years ago. But today you only see the new Corollas while the ones built and bought 5 years ago have mysteriously disappeared (probably languishing in nation's many autoshops).
#56 of 1641 FYI:Poorly-designed/built Civics got recalled by the Fed
Mar 24, 2000 (8:40 pm)
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 94V063000
Potential Number of Units Affected: 191289
Year of Recall: '94
A retaining clip that connects the transmission
shift cable to the shift lever actuating rod can
have insufficient retention pressure and may
eventually come off after repeated shift lever
operation. If this happens, the position of the
shift lever may not match the actual transmission
This could result in unanticipated vehicle
movement and accident.
SYSTEM: POWERTRAIN; TRANSMISSION; AUTOMATIC.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 93V208000
Potential Number of Units Affected: 31
Year of Recall: '93
The passenger-side air bag modules contain
incorrect inflators which are out of spec.
for the passenger side air bag.
In the event of a collision, the air bag may not
provide adequate protection to the passenger.
SYSTEM: INTERIOR SYSTEMS; PASSIVE RESTRAINTS; AIR BAG; PASSENGER.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 96V106000
Potential Number of Units Affected: 160689
Year of Recall: '96
A soapy lubricant was used to insert the check
valve into the vacuum hose which causes the brake
booster check valve to stick.
This condition can cause a loss of the brake's
power assist resulting in a reduction in braking
performance increasing the potential for a vehicle accident.
SYSTEM: BRAKES; HYDRAULIC; POWER ASSIST; CHECK VALVE.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 99E015000
Potential Number of Units Affected: 935167
Year of Recall: '99
Equipment Description: Accessory driver-side floor mats used in 1996-1998 Honda Civic vehicles.
Due to the shape of the floor on these vehicles, a mispositioned floor mat could interfere with the accelerator pedal.
The floor mat could prevent the accelerator pedal from returning to the idle position.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 99I002000
Year of Recall: '99
The accelerator pedal feels rough or notchy when you press it.
It may feel like the car is not responding properly when traveling at low speeds and are required to move the accelerator pedal to make slight speed adjustments.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 97V193000
Potential Number of Units Affected: 9558
Year of Recall: '97
The front passenger air bag modules have been improperly assembled. The cloth flaps covering the folded air bag may have been tucked in too far.
This condition could prevent proper deployment of the air bag. In a crash, an improper air bag deployment could increase the risk of injury to a front seat passenger.
#57 of 1641 Wow ! you must be bored!
Mar 24, 2000 (9:09 pm)
Now, I'm scared! There terrible recalls!
I think you will find ALL manufactures have similar recalls. My 1992 Oldsmobile was recalled because the power seat wiring "can" slip out of place and "could" start a fire or something.
Being a busy person, I looked under the seat, the wiring looked fine and was still fine when I sold the car two years later.
And...horrors! My 1998 Civic EX Coupe was recalled because the driver's floot mat "could" slip forward and cause the gas pedal to stick!!
Well...my floormat does not slip, and I've been too lazy to remember to have the dumb pin installed...maybe someday...yawn...
True, some recalls could involve potentially dangerous situations but most are pretty friviolous. They affect ALL makes and models!
Mar 24, 2000 (10:51 pm)
> I think you will find ALL manufactures >have similar recalls.
Has Elanta ever been recalled for poor design of
retaining clip in transmission? No.
Has Elantra ever been recalled for defective air
Has Elantra ever been recalled for careless assembly of brake system? No.
Has Elantra ever been recalled for poor design of cabin floor? No.
Has Elantra ever been recalled for defective throttle cable? No.
#59 of 1641 As you can see
Mar 24, 2000 (11:00 pm)
Even we have a Honda salesman, by his own admissions, is afraid Honda is losing the quality race.
Mar 25, 2000 (1:45 pm)
I can't honestly understand how anyone would buy a Hyundai over a Civic. ? You are fooling yourself if you think Civic quality is not light years ahead of Elantra.
My 97 in fact had the "factory accessory floor mat could move forward causing gas petal to stick" recall. I didn't have the accessory floor mat.
I thought it was a joke to "recall" a floor mat.
My car has almost 77,000 miles with zero problem from the day it was driven off the lot. $0.00 in warranty claims charged to Honda and $0.00 in unscheduled maintence. Claiming an Elantra or an Escort or a Metro is equivalent to a Civic will not work unless you are talking to yourselves.
#61 of 1641 Before yopu get too smug...
Mar 25, 2000 (6:07 pm)
I have no idea how many, or, if any Hyundais have been recalled for anything. I'll assume you're right and they have had zero recalls. Who cares?
But, given enough time, I assure you that they WILL have recalls, so don't get too cocky when posting details of recalls of other makes.
And...most will be frivolous, no doubt, just like the dumb floor mat recall.
#62 of 1641 Hello25
Mar 25, 2000 (10:17 pm)
Hello25, have you driven a 99/00 Elantra? In what area did the Elantra fail to match up. Fit and finish? Handling? Fair people can disagree but to suggest that the differences are so obvious I can only guess that you have not been in the Elantra.