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#51 of 1637 "Is that a new Honda?" by bri70 Mar 24, 2000 (3:12 pm)
Do I care what people think of what I'm driving?Trust me Isell_mitsus1, I know, I get some flak. It just shows how profoundly ignorant many people are. It is one thing to say "I do not want to drive a Hyundai because..." Quite another to say "Hyundai's are crap," without ever sitting inside a recent model. More than a few times someone has asked me if what I'm driving was the new Toyota or Honda model. Invariably the questions are preceded with a comment on the vehicle looking attractive. But this will change. A few years ago, few people would have considered a forum topic of "Honda Civic vs. Hyundai Elantra." Not only are people beginning to ask this question, but as you can see many people actually would pick the Hyundai. Around eight thousand Elantra's are being sold a month. A 100% sales increase over last year. Who is buying these vehicles? Sure some may be more of a credit risk. My neighbor with a Sonata lives in a 275 thousand dollar house. Another neighbor a few blocks away has two Elantra's in his driveway. I can easily afford an Accord, Camry or even a BMW 3 series. I don't drive everyday so I fail to see the need for a more expensive vehicle. Isell_mitsus1, I'm willing to bet that within 5 years not only will you be seeing more Hyundai's during your travel's (including an SUV and a near luxury model this year) but few people will be looking at them with derision. Your name may just be isell_korean.
#52 of 1637 bri70 by isell_mitsus1 Mar 24, 2000 (3:42 pm)
I have never said that the new Hyundais models were crap, I said that the old Hyundai models were crap and the new ones still aren't as good as Honda. Sure they may sell 100,000 Elantras this year but the Civic still sells 3 times that not to mention all of the used Civics that are sold in a year, and with a new model on the way it's sales will increase even more. As I said, I may view Hyundai differently in a few years but right now I think the Accord/Civic are 2 of the best, most reliable sedans in their respective categories. Maybe the next generation of car buyers will not attach the same stigma to the Hyundai name and Hyundai will be regarded as more reliable than Honda, who knows? But by the time that happens my walker will be a little hard to navigate around the lot so I doubt I'll be selling them.
#53 of 1637 Elantra v. Honda et al by george00 Mar 24, 2000 (5:33 pm)
There really is an issue of underequipped Japanese cars compared with Hyundai. I felt that a bit when comparing Elantra with a Civic but it was glaring where Toyota was concerned. A Corolla mid-level model (SE) not only did not have power sideview mirrors, as does the Elantra, the Corolla's mirror assemblies were immovable, meaning that in a brush-by the mirrors would not bend but would rip the door off. The Corolla 5-speed also lacked a tachometer. It was offered to me, after considerable bargaining, at just under $14,000. I paid $11,500 for my Elantra and that even included a Clifford security system. I realize the Toyota would hold value better - though even that's in question as Hyundais become more popular, and I see more and more of them. Meanwhile, I have many amenities I would not have with a Japanese car, and $2,500 extra in my pocket. As for Consumer Reports, which several posters mention, it is not your father's CR. Although Hyundais are becoming increasingly popular, CR has not tested one since January 1997 and includes no frequency-of-repair information on any Hyundai model. CR's recommended small car, the Mazda Protege, sells (according to CR) for $17,000 - half again as much as an Elantra, double an Accent.
#54 of 1637 . by bri70 Mar 24, 2000 (8:11 pm)
"I realize the Toyota would hold value better -" Yes, I would hope so considering it would have cost you more. So in the end it evens out. "CR's recommended small car, the Mazda Protege, sells (according to CR) for $17,000 - half again as much as an Elantra, double an Accent." The Protege is an excellent car, but with that price it is hard to justify. The Protege is not 4 to $5,000 dollars better than the Elantra!
#55 of 1637 Why CR has no information? by dryfus Mar 24, 2000 (8:24 pm)
With some research, here's what I found on Hyundai; The Accent has been out since 1995. The newly designed Elantra has been out since 1995. The Sonata has had different model changes, each step with vast improvements, since 1989. Yet, all the Hyundai models have "insufficient data". Even still, Consumer Reports only do "predictable reliability rating". Thus Consumer Reports is not a good source to find reliability data on Hyundais or any other models for that matter. J.D Powers which put Hyundai ahead of Mitsubishi, and in the territory of Chrysler and GM, maybe a better indication of reliability. But they only measure initial quality. Toyota Corolla tops out the economy class in initial quality, but as Car Point's reliabilty rating link shows, Toyota's quality becomes worse and worse as the cars age, which JD Powers does not measure. That's why you saw millions of Toyota Corollas 5 years ago. But today you only see the new Corollas while the ones built and bought 5 years ago have mysteriously disappeared (probably languishing in nation's many autoshops).
#56 of 1637 FYI:Poorly-designed/built Civics got recalled by the Fed by andes11 Mar 24, 2000 (8:40 pm)
Year: 1993 Make:Honda Model:Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 94V063000 Potential Number of Units Affected: 191289 Year of Recall: '94 Summary: A retaining clip that connects the transmission shift cable to the shift lever actuating rod can have insufficient retention pressure and may eventually come off after repeated shift lever operation. If this happens, the position of the shift lever may not match the actual transmission gear position. This could result in unanticipated vehicle movement and accident. SYSTEM: POWERTRAIN; TRANSMISSION; AUTOMATIC. -------------------------------------------- Year: 1994 Make: Honda Model: Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 93V208000 Potential Number of Units Affected: 31 Year of Recall: '93 Summary: The passenger-side air bag modules contain incorrect inflators which are out of spec. for the passenger side air bag. In the event of a collision, the air bag may not provide adequate protection to the passenger. SYSTEM: INTERIOR SYSTEMS; PASSIVE RESTRAINTS; AIR BAG; PASSENGER. ------------------------------------------------- Year: 1996 Make: Honda Model: Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 96V106000 Potential Number of Units Affected: 160689 Year of Recall: '96 Summary: A soapy lubricant was used to insert the check valve into the vacuum hose which causes the brake booster check valve to stick. This condition can cause a loss of the brake's power assist resulting in a reduction in braking performance increasing the potential for a vehicle accident. SYSTEM: BRAKES; HYDRAULIC; POWER ASSIST; CHECK VALVE. -------------------------------------------------- Year: 1996 Make: Honda Model: Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 99E015000 Potential Number of Units Affected: 935167 Year of Recall: '99 Summary: Equipment Description: Accessory driver-side floor mats used in 1996-1998 Honda Civic vehicles. Due to the shape of the floor on these vehicles, a mispositioned floor mat could interfere with the accelerator pedal. The floor mat could prevent the accelerator pedal from returning to the idle position. -------------------------------------------------- Year: 1996 Make: Honda Model: Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 99I002000 Year of Recall: '99 Summary: The accelerator pedal feels rough or notchy when you press it. It may feel like the car is not responding properly when traveling at low speeds and are required to move the accelerator pedal to make slight speed adjustments. -------------------------------------------------- Year: 1997 Make: Honda Model: Civic NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 97V193000 Potential Number of Units Affected: 9558 Year of Recall: '97 Summary: The front passenger air bag modules have been improperly assembled. The cloth flaps covering the folded air bag may have been tucked in too far. This condition could prevent proper deployment of the air bag. In a crash, an improper air bag deployment could increase the risk of injury to a front seat passenger. -------------------------------------------------
#57 of 1637 Wow ! you must be bored! by isellhondas Mar 24, 2000 (9:09 pm)
Now, I'm scared! There terrible recalls! I think you will find ALL manufactures have similar recalls. My 1992 Oldsmobile was recalled because the power seat wiring "can" slip out of place and "could" start a fire or something. Being a busy person, I looked under the seat, the wiring looked fine and was still fine when I sold the car two years later. And...horrors! My 1998 Civic EX Coupe was recalled because the driver's floot mat "could" slip forward and cause the gas pedal to stick!! Well...my floormat does not slip, and I've been too lazy to remember to have the dumb pin installed...maybe someday...yawn... True, some recalls could involve potentially dangerous situations but most are pretty friviolous. They affect ALL makes and models!
#58 of 1637 . by andes11 Mar 24, 2000 (10:51 pm)
> I think you will find ALL manufactures >have similar recalls. Has Elanta ever been recalled for poor design of retaining clip in transmission? No. Has Elantra ever been recalled for defective air bag? No. Has Elantra ever been recalled for careless assembly of brake system? No. Has Elantra ever been recalled for poor design of cabin floor? No. Has Elantra ever been recalled for defective throttle cable? No.
#59 of 1637 As you can see by dryfus Mar 24, 2000 (11:00 pm)
Even we have a Honda salesman, by his own admissions, is afraid Honda is losing the quality race.
#60 of 1637 . by hello25 Mar 25, 2000 (1:45 pm)
I can't honestly understand how anyone would buy a Hyundai over a Civic. ? You are fooling yourself if you think Civic quality is not light years ahead of Elantra. My 97 in fact had the "factory accessory floor mat could move forward causing gas petal to stick" recall. I didn't have the accessory floor mat. I thought it was a joke to "recall" a floor mat. My car has almost 77,000 miles with zero problem from the day it was driven off the lot. $0.00 in warranty claims charged to Honda and $0.00 in unscheduled maintence. Claiming an Elantra or an Escort or a Metro is equivalent to a Civic will not work unless you are talking to yourselves.

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