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Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#478 of 1641 Crash tests
Dec 07, 2000 (1:45 am)
About the Hyundai crash test. Only the 2000 Elantra has been tested. It did well everywhere except for the rear side impact, where it only got 1 star.
The 2001 Hyundai is scheduled for front impact testing in January of 2001, and side impact in March of 2001. You can chech the test results of the Hyundai (and any other car as far back as 1990) at http://www.nhtsa.org
For those who wish to know, the 2001 Honda Civic has been tested. It recieved 5/5 stars for front impact tests, and 4/5 stars for the side impact. Interestingly the extremely popular Sunfire/Cavalier has fared far worse than any other car in this class. 3/5 stars front driver's impact, 1/5 stars side driver's impact. Even the bargain basement Kia Sephia has a better crash score.
#479 of 1641 Even more interesing
Dec 07, 2000 (2:28 am)
Well, the results spurred me into looking at the Civic. Guess what? It's been investigated a whopping 60 times since its introduction in 1974. The most common investigation? Seat belt failure and brake failure. It should be noted that 40 of the 60 investigations were for the pre 1983 models (remember at that time Japaneese cars were considered poor quality?). However, only a few thousand Civics were sold each year at that time compared to the 200,000 or so Excels Hyundai sold in its first year. Ironically, Hyundai was doomed by its own success. If the Excel hadn't taken off the way it did, Hyundai probably wouldn't have its reputation today.
P.S. The last time the Civic was investigated was in 1993, for steering wheel lock-up.
#480 of 1641 Just one more statistic
Dec 07, 2000 (2:38 am)
Sorry to bore you all, but here's one last statistic I found on the NHTSA site. The 2000 Hyundai Elantra has recieved 30 safety complaints. The 2000 Civic recieved 31 safety complaints.
Dec 07, 2000 (3:08 am)
Thank you for providing all the data!! It surely gives another measure when comparing these cars.
Dec 07, 2000 (4:14 am)
You can compare the Elantra to the Civic all day and say that it's reliability has caught up to the Civic and all prior build quality and reliability issues have been addressed by Hyundai. But can you back it up on paper? On every test the Hyundai ranks at or near the bottom, it is at best mid-pack. However, the Civic is usually at or near the top. While Hyundai's sales are increasing, they are still no where near the level of Civic sales. The only thing in here that I have seen attempt to dispute this is alese saying that alot of people were driving off the lot with Hyundais while the Honda dealer was dead. Some proof that is. The only backup that has been provided for reliability and resale are owner opinions in here.
No one has been able to come up with any substantiated facts. It's alot of opinions and heresay used to back Hyundais. Sure the Hyundai has more power on paper but alot can be said for engine refinement. The Toyota Camry has one of the most underpowered engines in a family sedan yet it is the top-selling car in the country. The Hyundai has more room in some areas but the Civic has more room in others. The Civic gets better gas mileage, I don't think anyone has disputed that, as well as having a very high ranking in regards to environment issues.
I have seen alot mentioned about the Elantras standard side air bags. Does it matter if they don't make the car safer than the Civic? As mentioned before the Civic was just awarded a very high ranking from it's crash tests. Just one star behind the much bigger and more expensive Volvo S80. Pretty good company to keep don't ya think? The Hyundai doesn't do too bad though. Maybe they should give Daewoo and Kia some pointers.
On price, yes the Civic is $2,800 more at the beginning. But in 2 years it is worth $4,800 more and as I said before it was listed as the cheapest car to own over a 5 year period by Intellichoice. Let's say that your big selling point was the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. If you buy a Civic for $2,800 more get a 6 year/100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper extended warranty you are at $3,600 more but you have a bumper-to-bumper warranty vs powertrain only on the Hyundai and 2 years later your Civic is worth $4,800 more so you have actually saved $1,200 over a 2 year period if you buy the Civic. And for those who say they will keep their Hyundai's for 5 years so it doesn't matter think of it this way. Eventually you are going to have to sell that Hyundai. It is a tough sell on the used marketplace. The Civic isn't. Even 5 years down the road the Civic would have a significant resale value advantage still making the initial cost balance out.
So look at all of the facts, not the ones that are favorable to your opinions.
#483 of 1641 Acura Girl
Dec 07, 2000 (4:36 am)
Let me get this straight. You of all people are accusing me of looking at only "facts favourable to my opinion". Did I say at any point the Hyundai was better than the Civic? Did I even say it was the equal of the 2001 Civic? No, I said it matched up to a Civic from 5 years ago. I have tried to keep it as unbiased as possible. I don't even own a Hyundai or a Honda, I have a Mazda. So don't complain to me about bias. I am leaning towards the Hyundai, but other top contenders in my next car choice is a Ford Focus and the top rated Mazda protoge (which by all accounts beats both cars, according to said experts which you keep dragging up). Quite frankly, it seems you have a closed mind. For you its Honda only and if that's your choice so be it. I will not be limited to one manufacturer. I will buy the car like whether it be Honda or Kia or GM or Volkswagen. You have made your point of view sufficiently clear. However I will not be swayed by some Honda fanatic.
#484 of 1641 But it won't convince you
Dec 07, 2000 (5:04 am)
But of course I'm wasting my breath. Since even the National Highway Traffic and Safety Commission is apparently not good enough for "substantiated fact" I'm not sure if anything will cause you to open up. And guess who won Motor Trend's Car of the Year? Not Acura, not Honda, not Toyota, not Ford, not Hyundai, not Lexus, not BMW, but Chrsyler with their PT Cruiser.
Dec 07, 2000 (5:13 am)
BTW, the second car in the classified is a 1996 Civic EX.
Dec 07, 2000 (3:45 pm)
disagree regarding that current Elantra only comparable to Civic from 5 year ago. Both Elantra and Civic are redesigned for the 2001 year model, and in most aspect they're pretty comparable. Both has minus and pluses (which has been pointed way too many time in this forum).
By the same token, you said Hyundai quality hasn't caught up to Honda, do you have any substantial proof for that too?
#487 of 1641 aruragrl
Dec 07, 2000 (4:32 pm)
I personally don't believe much of the hype that comsumer reports, edmunds, C&D, etc say, but if you want to, that is fine.
Read the comparo test on Edmunds of economy sedans. OOOPS - the Civic is almost LAST PLACE. What about Car and Driver? Not faring too much better than Elantra there either. Please don't bring up Consumer Reports....they do not count. It is obvious that any mag that tries to purposely "take a car down" (the Trooper), just because those idiots don't know how to drive, has obviously lost all credibility.
Where else on paper is the Civic better than ANY car, especially the Elantra?????? Besides in your scrap book I mean....