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#31 of 1637 post 26 by bill11770 Mar 21, 2000 (4:01 am)
anyone that pays 16,000 for a used civic has some screws loose. You can get a new one for that price. isell_mitsus1.... don't you think that those numbers are a little incorrect?... say one is wholesale (elantra) and the other is retail (civic). The way i see it is that those numbers seemed to be doctored up....
#32 of 1637 . by bri70 Mar 21, 2000 (4:22 pm)
isell_mitsus1 said: "And to the person who said resale value was just as good for the Elantra...yeah right. I checked the trade for a 99 Elantra with 15k in excellent condition with all options (auto, roof, alloys, power pack, etc) and the trade was $10,---, a comparable Civic was worth $16,---.... you do the math." Wait a minute. I did not say that the resale value of an Elantra is just as good. What I said was that it is becoming average. I do believe that the Civic does hold its resale value better than the Elantra. I would not buy an economy car with the idea of selling it down the road. So this is not an issue with me. Even so, the Elantra's below average resale value is becoming fiction. The numbers you stated, are they for Civic SI? What service did you use to check, Edmunds? Kelly's? As it has already been pointed out; who would buy a used Civic for 16K?
#33 of 1637 Here's the problem, bri770... by isellhondas Mar 21, 2000 (6:27 pm)
Forget what the "book" say. Just try to sell one, or worse yet, get a Hyundai dealer to pay you anywhere near wholesale book for one. They are "back of book" cars...big time! I am NOT saying they are *bad* cars. I am saying that they are an absolute DOG on the used car market. Few people will buy one and they sell for thousands BELOW book! It's not fiction but pure fact! Who knows, maybe someday that could change? Andes links were amusing. I have NO IDEA how this rating system happened. In my experience, the 91-93 Civics were bulletproof reliable, and really no worse than the current models. I'm sure the opinion of another publication would differ. The current issue of Consumer's Reports give 1/2 red dots for Civic Engines in the years 92-93, and full red dots for 94's and newer. So, I guess they disagree with Car Point. And Consumer's Reports didn't even bother to rate Hyundai. Almost like they don't even exhist! Probably not enough on the road for a sampling?
#34 of 1637 Craig by andes11 Mar 21, 2000 (8:49 pm)
AIS reliability ratings are based on sophisticated statistical analyses of actual repair data gathered from automotive technicians. These numbers are cold, hard facts. They are not based on someone's opinion or experience. If you keep talking about opinions, then I have to question your intelligence. Consumer Reports do not rate reliability of cars. They just publish the results of subscriber survey. Ask them why a rating system is not in place. They'll tell you that it's not fair to rate cars reliability without actual repair data.
#35 of 1637 I guess if the results... by isellhondas Mar 21, 2000 (9:58 pm)
Favor your opinion, then you like them. Consumer's Reports must get these ratings from somewhere! Sorry you don't like them. And, I stand by my statement that 1991-1993 Civic engines are VERY reliable. That's why I was surprised by the data you provided. And, yes, that's my opinion which is based on quite a bit of front line experience.
#36 of 1637 Early Hyundais by bri70 Mar 22, 2000 (2:55 pm)
For a vehicle with supposedly very poor reliablility, there are plenty of pre-90 Hyundai EXCELS out there on the road. That is why I am wary of people's opinions or reputations of automobiles. I would take AIS's statisical sampling over Consumer Reports voluntary user surveys any day.
#37 of 1637 Who deleted my message? by andes11 Mar 22, 2000 (6:11 pm)
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#38 of 1637 andes11 by dryfus Mar 22, 2000 (11:08 pm)
Thanks for the Car Point link stats on reliability ratings. It certainly has been valuable. Now there is the same "all Korean cars are no good" debate in the Daewoo Leganza 3 forum, in the last couple of days. And Hyundais are being mentioned quite a bit. I urge anyone who wants get in on the hot debate that's going on there, just go to Daewoo Leganza forum and click forward to the last couple of days. It's March 22 today.
#39 of 1637 . by isell_mitsus1 Mar 23, 2000 (4:05 am)
Okay... let's read the fine print of these links. If you just go by initial impressions you may think the Hyundai is just as reliable. But if you look at the problems that the Civic had they are all insignificant and relatively inexpensive to fix compared to the car's value. The Hyundai on the other hand has costly repairs that cost more than the car is worth. Example: 1991-1993 Honda Civic's had problems with the distributor, main relay, and fuel ignitor. If you have all three of these fixed it comes up to a total of $200. The Hyundai on the other hand exhibited problems with premature timing belt failure, engine valves (as a result of the timing belt) and the ECU. These items together total approx $2,000. You do the math. Let's see would I rather have a car that is worth $4,000 that I have to do $200 worth of repairs on or would I rather have a car that is worth $600 and do $2,000 worth of repairs... I don't know.. I may have to consult my psychic on this one. Which brings up resale. You doubt my numbers here ya go. All of these are verifiable at www.kbb.com and www.carsdirect.com. 2000 Honda Civic EX with automatic transmission www.carsdirect.com price = $16,341 www.kbb.com resale = $15,235 (kbb for 1999 15k in exc. condition) $1,106 depreciation = 7% value drop/93% retained value 2000 Elantra GLS w/ automatic tranny and equivalent EX Civic options www.carsdirect.com price = $13,264 www.kbb.com resale = $10,440 (kbb for 1999 15k in excellent condition) $2,824 depreciation = 21% drop/79% retained value So thanks for offering but I will be eating my baked chicken and cherry cheesecake, not my words.
#40 of 1637 Carpoint survey - Civic engine problems by sirrad Mar 23, 2000 (5:05 am)
The nice thing about having a 91-93 Civic with a dead engine is that the Teg GSR engine or the Si B16A engine just bolts in place, to get a real sweet kick butt machine. Try asking for an implant from any Hyundai sibling. Replies to this message: slip7 (Feb 09, 2007 6:07 pm)

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