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You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#17 of 1641 Oh what a clever remark, Mr. Honda seller
Mar 14, 2000 (6:04 pm)
I had one of those "old Hyundais" you all are talking about. A 1989 Hyundai Excel. It was a great car. It's true that little things would go wrong, thermostat, rubber valve failing. But overall, a very reliable car. I went cross country twice in it, from New York City to Seattle and back. The "back" trip the long way, loaded down with a Sears carrier on top and my bike on back. I was so loaded down, I was only a few inches from the ground, and my car was so full inside I could only drive with my seat straight up. But we climbed several mountains, went through the desert through Oregon, California, Nevada, Utah Colorado, and on to Ohio. 4500 miles and no trouble. And would you like to know about safety?? The end came for my dear car when a 1964 Chevy Impala, coming toward me at 70mph on a 35mph street, spun out, hit me and totalled my car front to back on MY SIDE and I walked out of the accident without a scratch.
Now I have a Honda Civic, 1990. True, it has more power than my old car, but the reputation for Honda's lasting forever is overrated. I have had to spend at least a couple thousand dollars in repairs, and it's on it's last legs at 160,000 miles. I'm going to let the old girl die with dignity, but my new car will be an Elantra. Frankly, I just can't afford a Honda. True it may be a better car, but you can't always afford the best. Hyundai's are a very good second choice, especially since you get so much for the money. Look at Saturns too. They won't even give you air conditioning unless you buy the highest S model. If Hyundai's have improved since 1989, that's good enough for me since I was happy with my old car.
And by the way I have a theory about the old Hyundai's. They were cheap cars, so people treated them as throw away cars. I treated mine like a Cadillac, so it treated me back the same way.
#18 of 1641 isellhondas
Mar 15, 2000 (2:00 am)
You mentioned that the Hyundai you drove was "pretty lackluster." How so?
As for Hyundai surviving against all odds. It is doing more than surviving it is breaking its own sales records. Some months sales increases have been 100% over last years.
Mar 15, 2000 (11:49 pm)
I'm glad you had good luck with your Hyundai. I'm sure many others would agree with you. I don't think they were horrible cars. I think though they reflected the low prices they sold for. In 1989, they were pretty crude when compared to other cars. Consumer Reports blasted them for poor reliability and listed them as a car to avoid.
You made a good point, though. Maybe the low price attracted buyers who skimped on oil changes and skipped important service visits.
Yeah, I think lackluster sums it up pretty well. They just don't do much for me. If you can please forget the fact I sell Hondas, I would MUCH rather spend the same amount and buy a used car I really like instead.
I feel the same way about Saturns. Buyers pay full MSRP for a car that isn't much more than a glorified Cavalier.
Please folks, I'm not here to promote Hondas or to slam Hyundais. I'm only stirring the pot by stating my opinions.
Given past reputation and the fact that they are SO hard to sell used, I just think there are better choices.
But...That is my humble opinion and I respect the fact that some will disagree with me!
Mar 16, 2000 (12:12 am)
It's a good thing their sales have improved. They came close to extinction awhile back. ANY increase would be a big improvement.
Mar 18, 2000 (4:55 pm)
I agree with isellhonda's sentiments. Hyundais are better than they used to be but still can't compare to Hondas. Some may disagree with that. So be it. But I would take a used car that I knew was going to be reliable and that I knew would hold it's value before I would take a new car that may or may not live up to it's old reputation.
isellhondas is also correct on the resale value. People don't want them used. It is a car to buy if you want a NEW car but don't want to pay that much, just like Kia and Daewoo. It holds no water in the used car market.
#22 of 1641 The supposedly poor resale value
Mar 19, 2000 (12:28 pm)
isell_ mitsus1, with all due respect I think that view is becoming dated. I'm thinking about purchasing a second Hyundai and have been looking at Kelly's Blue Book retail prices.
I paid 12.5K for my 2000 Elantra GLS. Kelly's list a 1999 Elantra GLS from 10,700 to 14,330. In fact when I compare the exact car that I bought, plug in the mileage I expect to do in a year (15K), I get a suggested retail value of $12,050. The 2000 Elantra depreciated all of $450 from the 1999 model. Not bad at all. Worse than average resale value I think is fast becoming another obsolete view of Hyundai.
#23 of 1641 Hyundai's credibility..
Mar 19, 2000 (2:36 pm)
The credibility of the maker is truly issue here. Honda builds a wonderful (if souless) automobile, and has for some time. It has not always been that way.
Hyundai build an unforgetably cheap car a few years back, and this has had an effect on thier image (rightfully).
Yet, the current models, if not market leaders, appear to be "ready for prime time".
Let me bring you back to '73-75. A Japanese motorcycle maker was beginning its importation of cars to the US. It quickly bacame known that these cars were practicaly undriveable while cold. This was bad for that fledgling automaker, now the #2 imported vehicle, of course this is Honda. Those vehicles were pretty undesirable used, too.
Is the Hyundai less desirable than the Honda? Right now, YES. But it is also 10% less, and if I had the choice of a stripped Civic, or an Elantra w/ AC, power goodies, and the warranty, well, I'd stop to think...
Mar 19, 2000 (7:54 pm)
Which car is more reliable and will last longer with no problems? A Hyundai Elantra or Honda Civic?
#25 of 1641 reliability
Mar 20, 2000 (4:43 am)
I own both and they both have their share of problems. However, the civic has had a few major problems. Thank goodness for warranties.
The elantra i just got and it had some minor problems. Just treat them right and they'll last atleast a decade
#26 of 1641 Civic is not that reliable
Mar 20, 2000 (7:44 am)
I get a good chuckle when these people tout Honda's "proven" reliability.
The thing is that Elantra is as reliable as Honda Civic.
In fact, early 90s Civic's AIS reliability rating is lower than the Elantra's and its reliability has been widely exaggerated by the owners over the years.