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Re: 4AT vs 5AT. [rustum] by targettuning
Aug 28, 2007 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: rustum (Aug 27, 2007 3:00 pm)

I currently have a 2006 Civic with the 5 speed auto. I live in south central Pa where the terrain while not as mountainous as further west isn't exactly flat either. What I have observed is the Honda doesn't want to stay in 5th unless at highway speeds and the roads are flat as a pancake. Toss in a slight grade (especially when at lower speeds) and the transmission wants 4th. The bad news here is that you are seldom in 5th for a long distance but the good is that the transmission seems to shift smoothly. Honda geared 5th as an over-over drive so they can post high EPA sticker numbers but practically speaking the transmission is entirely too busy up-down shifting unless you live in Iowa or somewhere else in the flat mid-west.
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Concur by sandman46
Aug 28, 2007 (8:46 am)
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Living in South Florida, the roads are all flat and the car holds 5th gear beautifully, ample power for passing to. Just filled my tank and with a 50/50 split, got 32.7 mpg's...not bad I must say. Part of that driving was coming home from the dealer after the 2nd oil change with almost 10k on the clock.
This car impresses me more and more daily. Was looking at the Volvo S40 also, but with the 5 cylinder engine, doubt I'd have gotten mileage figures as good as these. Really iked the looks of the Volvo though and the '08's are even a bit nicer. But the wife has the Mazda 3s, which has the exact same body as the S40, just with lower headrests front & rear. That was the main reason she passed on the S40 actually, she couldn't see out the back or sides safely and the Mazda was better vision wise. She's still happy.
 
The Sandman
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Re: 4AT vs 5AT. [rustum] by backy
Aug 28, 2007 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: rustum (Aug 27, 2007 9:55 pm)

If you can wait for awhile (and it sounds like you can), you might see if Hyundai puts a loyalty rebate back on the Elantra. Since you are a Sonata owner, that could sweeten the deal on the Elantra by another $500-1000.
 
Another car you might check out in the meantime is the Versa. I think it's a very nice car for the money, with excellent crash test scores (has Good's across the board for the IIHS tests, like the Civic).
 
If you are looking for a good price on a Civic, now is the time to get one of the last '07s.
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Thanks for your information. by rustum
Aug 30, 2007 (9:14 pm)
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Becky, Sandman and Targettuning,
Thanks for your information. I have fixed my timing belt on my sonata. Now, it is running great. Looks like, i can manage with that some more time.
Today, i happen to visit Honda showroom. That guys is ready to sell Accord LX, 4Cy with AT with bargain price. But, he is ready to give only 3k for my sonata. I felt hard to trade in my sonata for 3k immediately after spending 400$. He is not ready to give much room for bargaining on civic.
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Re: Thanks for your information. [rustum] by backy
Aug 31, 2007 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: rustum (Aug 30, 2007 9:14 pm)

If you really want that Accord, you could check out the private party market for your Sonata, especially if it's in good shape and well-maintained.
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Elantra Resale Value by colloquor
Oct 08, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Many here on Edumunds.com denigrate Hyundai resale values. I just finished some research based upon the purchase of our 2006 Elantra GLS sedan automatic vs. a 2006 Honda Civic LX auto and a 2006 Toyota Corolla LE auto. The prices paid, including TTL, for the Civic and Corolla were based on an average of those posted here on Edmunds.com from buyers for those trims over a snapshot of time (and, forum postings) in 2006. Interestingly, the Elantra does quite well compared to the Civic and Corolla which contradicts the position of many anti-Hyundai posters.
  
The values (trade-in and private party) were taken from the Edmunds.com appraisal calculator. This trade-in value correlates with what my local dealer, and Intelliprice, would offer for a new car trade-in, so this value should be good enough for basic comparison purposes. The data:
  
2006 Elantra - Trade-in: $9,647 Private Party: $10,738
  
2006 Civic - Trade-in: $13,508 Private Party: $14,620
  
2006 Corolla - Trade-in: $11,429 Private Party: $12,613
  
Comparing total purchase price vs. trade-in value:
  
I paid $13,700, including TTL, for my 2006 Elantra. This equates to a $4,053 loss since purchase - in my case, purchased in December 2005.
  
The average purchase price, including TTL, based upon Edmunds.com postings for the 2006 Civic LX is $17,500. This equates to a $3,992 loss since purchase.
  
The average purchase price, including TTL, based upon Edmunds.com postings for the 2006 Corolla LE is $16,200. This equates to a $4,771 loss since purchase.
  
In each case, the first year depreciation hit is substantial, as expected. But, when you compare each based upon not the MSRP, but the actual delivered price, including TTL, the Hyundai fares quite well against their highly regarded competitors.
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Re: Elantra Resale Value [colloquor] by thegraduate
Oct 08, 2007 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Oct 08, 2007 6:51 am)

Using those numbers, the Civic has held 77% of its value. The Elantra has held 70%.
 
Out of curiousity, what does Edmunds say is the average purchase price for the Elantra? And what model are you using to compare?
 
Thanks for the info!
 
TheGrad
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Re: Elantra Resale Value [thegraduate] by backy
Oct 08, 2007 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 08, 2007 7:16 am)

Percentages can be misleading. They can be higher on a higher-priced car than on a lower-priced car, yet you'll lose more in depreciation dollar-wise on the higher-priced car. That's why I focus on dollar depreciation vs. percentages.
 
These numbers reflect my own experience, e.g. $5900 in depreciation on a '01 Elantra GLS after 5-1/2 years. I recently checked on the resale value of my '04 GT, and it's down about $3000 from purchase price after 3-1/2 years. I'll take that kind of depreciation any day.
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Re: Elantra Resale Value [backy] by thegraduate
Oct 08, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 08, 2007 8:02 am)

I worry about the info I research and find on resale vs. that of real-world values. For example, the resale on my Accord was higher than that of what end-of-the-year 2006 Accords were selling for last year. That can't be completely accurate. OTOH, I have a buddy with a 13 year old (1994) Accord EX, 201k miles on it. He put a sign in the window with $4,000 on it. He had five calls in three days. He isn't selling yet, but wanted to see what he could get for it. He told me he figured he'd have to come down to $3k or so (heck, the car has been in two accidents, albeit minor ones).
 
I wouldn't pay $4k for a 200k mile car, but apparently the old Hondas don't drop as much as they say! That excites me somewhat, as I have 175k on my 1996 Accord, and with timing belt coming up, and a need for new struts, I'm looking at over $1200 worth of work it is going to need. I also have someone who REALLY wants this car, and has for years (for his son who will be 15 soon - he works on them and wouldn't have a problem changing the timing belt or water pump himself). I may have to check the paper to find out a fair asking price - blue book is undercutting me!
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Re: Elantra Resale Value [thegraduate] by backy
Oct 08, 2007 (8:18 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 08, 2007 8:08 am)

Yes, you have to take published "resale prices" with a grain of salt. But I figure if the prices of my Elantra have been inflated, so have the prices of the Civic.
 
I happened to scan Elantra used car prices in a 500 mile radius the other day and was surprised how high they were. Of course, these are asking prices, but even allowing for dickering they were holding up very well I thought. Maybe all the good press the Elantra has been getting, e.g. recommended used car by CR, Edmunds's top pick for a used compact, good reliability scores etc. have been doing some good.

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