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You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#1510 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [eldaino]
Mar 02, 2007 (6:09 am)
I meant the competition doesn't have an "H"... well at least an upright one (Hyundai H slants). The one designating HONDA to the world.
Hyundai ALWAYS had more features than Honda for far less. And as far as why I bought Honda verses Hyundai, well I explained that too a couple of times when accused, as you accuse me,of "not shopping around" and not knowing what is out there. I knew very well what was available but in a nut-shell and one more time...in the fall of 2005 gas hit an all time high (over $3.00 per gal)I had an SUV that I was otherwise happy with ( a Santa Fe) gas price uncertainty prompted a switch to a smaller car (read fuel efficient). I knew a redesign was in the works for the Elantra and couldn't wait for it to be released and didn't want an "old" design in a new car. Couldn't get a Corolla with any safety features I wanted e.g. ABS/traction control/side airbags etc. because none of those features were available in my region...too bad for Toyota. Didn't want a Mazda 3,didn't want a Ford Focus,certainly didn't want a Cobalt/Cavalier/or any of the GM variants.I seriously considered a Sonata but desided to go smaller yet. Saw the styling of the 2006 Civic, loved it, felt good at the time about buying a Honda, bought it and the rest is history.
While the Civic isn't a premium car by definition it is by size class verses price asked. Come on, over $20K sticker puts it squarely into larger car territory e.g. Sonata..Optima...Fusion..Malibu (I'm not real sure about Honda's own Accord these days)and maybe a Camry.
#1511 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [snakeweasel]
Mar 02, 2007 (6:13 am)
maybe your ramps are different. Then there are the differences in speed limits (ours are 70 and most people are doing well around 85.)
#1512 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [targettuning]
Mar 02, 2007 (6:49 am)
size wise its a premium car? Looks pretty compact to me, fairly roomy but i don't understand whats 'premium' about the size or room. (maybe the awesome flat floor.
Thats fine if you didn't want those other cars, i'm just saying if thats your best reason for not going for a better equipped car for less, its still your thing and no one can help that.
around 20k for a compact seems pretty much the standard these days despite what hyundai offers. You can get the malibu and fusion, but the resale on them is probably awful. (not to mention their 20k price tags are for bare bones four cylinders.)
The civic (except the si) does not have traction conrol either.
Sorry about your woes target.
No one is disputing that hyundai offers more for less. They have to have some appeal you know.
#1513 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [eldaino]
Mar 02, 2007 (9:44 am)
Why is this so difficult to understand? The Civic falls into a class of cars that is populated by Elantra..Focus...Corolla...Mazda 3...Sentra..Kia Spectra...Cobalt and others. And no it isn't a premium car size wise but it is a premium price for a car in this class...in other words you end up paying MORE for say a Civic EX sedan automatic than most of these others. Yeah, one could buy a Civic DX but without even a radio or AC standard who would want to? Even that stripper is over $15K.
What? you are now second guessing my reasons for the Honda..you think I should offer a better one for not buying another brand? I trusted Honda would give me a better car than I received. Yeah, my bad..trick me once!!
For $20K you can get a whole lot more car than the Civic resale value not withstanding.
And traction control isn't the only thing missing on the Civic. A 2007 Elantra SE has the following standard:
Fog lights (optional on the Civic)
Heated side mirrors on all Elantras (not available on Civic)
4 wheel disc brakes standard on even the cheapest Elantra (available standard only on the EX or most expensive Civic)
multi-function trip computer (not available on any Civic)
XM radio (last I looked an $800.00 dealer installed option on other than GPS navigation system equipped Civics a nearly $2000.00 option)
heated front seats (an option on the SE) not available on the Civic.
A bigger passenger and luggage volume on the Elantra
The Elantra does not have traction control..neither does the Civic.
Oh and lets not forget the warranty. And don't tell me you will constantly need it on the Hyundai.
Take it from me pricing isn't the only area Hyundai has appeal...
You can be as sorry as can be but that doesn't change the fact myself and more than a few others do not view Honda as the best there is. Obviously there are those who refuse to believe this can be true..keep dreaming.
#1514 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [targettuning]
Mar 02, 2007 (2:56 pm)
Considering the prices a much bigger and quite efficient (for its size) Accords are going for ($18k-$19k for LX and SEs), I'm surprised more peoople aren't just going for them. My Accord felt like "more car" than my dad's Civic, and now the 4-cylinder Accords are similar in price to the Civic. (My dad paid less than $17,500 for his Civic EX Sedan and got blue-book trade-in value for "Excellent" for his 2-year old Accord w/69k miles).
#1515 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [eldaino]
Mar 02, 2007 (4:11 pm)
Well some ramps I take ar quite long some not so long and some quite short. Speed limits around here are 55 but most people do what they feel like. There have been many times when I am just keeping up with traffic and I look down and see that I am doing 90. Other times you are lucky to occasionally get past 35.
A constant 3,000 RPMs will keep me going a little over 75 MPH and with 132K on the odometer I rarely go past that. I can easily do well around 85 at 3500 RPMs.
But most of my driving is on regular streets and I rarely hit 3k RPMs unless for some odd reason I need a quick burst of speed (say an emergency maneuver or passing on a country road).
Starting out behind some cars at a stop light if I get it up to 4K RPMs I would rear end the guy in front of me the vast majority of the time.
#1516 of 1641 For the record!
Mar 05, 2007 (10:47 am)
Just got the wife a new Civic the other day, and yes, it is assembled in Japan, and yes, the engine and transmission are both from Japan (40% Japanese parts, the rest is US and Canadian). I'm very happy that my VIN # starts with a J. Some of the Civics on the lot still have a VIN that starts with a 1, which means it was assembled in the US, and furthermore, that your more likely to have rattle problems.
#1517 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [eldaino]
Mar 05, 2007 (12:58 pm)
"around 20k for a compact seems pretty much the standard these days "
honda is the most expensive compact sold. mazda 3, corolla, focus, cobalt (and all gm models of it), spectra, lancer, sentra, and forenza all start fairly far below in price than the civic. so no, 20K for a compact is NOT the standard these days.
#1518 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [nthe]
Mar 05, 2007 (2:09 pm)
Actually the Civic and Mazda3 are pretty comparable in price and available features (e.g. both offer navigation, a rarity in this class). Cobalt can get pricey for the SS model. Jetta is perhaps the priciest in the class, excepting the luxury brands.
For sure (and on topic), there is a large price disparity between the Civic and Elantra now, especially looking at out-the-door prices. Is Civic worth the extra money? That is the question...
#1519 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [backy]
Mar 05, 2007 (4:09 pm)
I wouldn't pay $2000 +/- for navigation in a car. If I needed it, I'd buy one of the many quality, portable models available at a cost of $350 to $500 from various brand names.