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You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Sedan
#1483 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [eldaino]
Feb 28, 2007 (9:18 am)
OK lets look at things this way then...you say there are a large amount of Civics sold, and there are no doubt. Of the huge amount of 2006/07 Civic owners how many DO have similar problems to mine and the other 30 (your random number) owners who post here? Because by far MOST owners do not even know about sites like these or if they do don't bother to post for one reason or another so the over all number of those with problems may not be as microscopic as you would like us to believe..just not represented here.
I bought this 2006 Civic (my first Honda product of any kind) because I loved the styling, still do by the way, and was pretty much sure given all the hype and glowing print used by professional auto testers over the years that I was safe in doing so. On the drive home from the dealer (7 miles showing) I heard rear suspension noise over some bumps, oh oh. Time went on and it turned out that both rear shocks leaked and the right side was dry. In July last year with about 3K miles both rear shocks replaced ( a common problem with 06 and prior years). Somewhere along there the "lug-bug" noise showed up...waited a year for the TSB to acknowledge and fix that. Concurrently the "glove-box" noise became evident after the shock replacement quieted the interior down enough to hear that one. TSB outstanding for a fix which I haven't had the time to get to yet (motor mount needs replaced). I feel fortunate that I haven't had some of the other problems haunting other 2006 Civic owners e.g. oil leaks that require a fair amount of engine disassembly (another TSB issued for that one)...power steering leak (yet another TSB)requiring some elbow piping replacement. Some software upgrades to eliminate a "check engine" lamp (TSB issued for that). Engine immobilizer problems (cannot start car and another TSB). There are some other TSB issued for problems I forgot. I have printed those in case I experience some problem down the road a bit. Additionally, there appear to be paint, glass, and rust issues on relatively new Civics. Oh, lets not forget the cheap and very easily scratched interior plastics (especially the waffle pattern on the doors) and finally the upholstry on our 1995 Dodge Stratus looks much beter 180K miles (I wear ALL types of pants) than that on the 6.5K mile Civic. There is absolutely NO reason for the pattern to be wearing on these seats nor any reason for the fabric to be "bunching" up in one place. So, am I disgruntled that this Honda has been way less than expected..you bet! And the price ( EX automatic $19,680 sticker, no discount, last fall..$20K or over now). Even the deluxe EX model lacks many features found on competetors models found for much less...oh yeah they don't have that Honda "H". I will give you this however, resale is great and I intend to take advantage of it soon.
Please do not tell me how to "come off" regarding this car. I spent a premium buck for a less than premium car so the least I expect is something I don't have to take in for repairs..TSB's installed etc. on a semi-regular basis. If I had wanted to spend my life in a customer service lounge...use charged leave time from work...travel to and from the dealer (about a 50 mi round trip) and general agravation I would have kept my Ford.
Feb 28, 2007 (6:31 pm)
Lug Bug problem has been it with my car. Runs great and love the torquey engine. My 1st Honda also and it's awesome.
Just want to keep the discussion fair and balanced guys.
#1485 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [sandman46]
Feb 28, 2007 (7:23 pm)
Torquey compared to what? Oh, right--the Elantra:
#1486 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [backy]
Feb 28, 2007 (10:30 pm)
He didn't say it was more torquey than the Elantra, just "torquey."
Personally, the Civic didn't feel that torquey to me, but after accelerating from a stop to about 65MPH down a straight, ampty, four-lane road once and only once in my dad's 2007, shifing manually at 6,800 RPM, I loved the major top-end rush the car had! What a hoot!
My 1996 Accord has more low-end, but lacks the high-rpm thrust of the Civic.
#1487 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [thegraduate]
Mar 01, 2007 (7:15 am)
No, he didn't say more than the Elantra. But this is a discussion dedicated to comparing the Civic and Elantra, so why not compare?
Civics never felt torquey to me, either. They do have that high-rpm thrust, though. I just don't tend to wind up my cars to that degree--hurts fuel economy. Low-end grunt is more important to me than the rush at 6800 rpm.
#1488 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [backy]
Mar 01, 2007 (11:22 am)
Depends on the style of driver I guess. I'm pretty conservative (and thus get good mileage usually). When I need to GO! though, I put my foot down, and send the car revving. To me, that's when having the power matters... wherever the tach ends up when I punch it, there better be power there over anywhere else.
#1489 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [backy]
Mar 01, 2007 (12:12 pm)
Backy lets not forget that the amount of torque the elantra has over the civic is not buy much and probably doesn't help much since even the engine of the elantra weighs more than the civic, so its a wash.
The civic is awesome for top end power.
And honestly its all about feel. My rabbit FEELS faster than my old civic, simply because of the torque. in reality though, it is only a tiny bit faster, and for having 17lbs of torque its suprising how 'not much faster' it is.
So in theory, you like the 'feeling'. But your not really going that much faster.
If you really wanna compare; lets talk about how the civic manages 140 horsies out of an engine .2 liters smaller than the elantra. (what does the elantra get? 138.)
And yes i know i have a 2.5 that gets 30mpg on the highway and only makes 150. But i got plenty of torque, and this is the elantra vs civic. (i felt i had to say it because someone else would have! )
#1490 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [thegraduate]
Mar 01, 2007 (12:13 pm)
gracias gradutate. Totally agree.
#1491 of 1641 Re: '06 Civic LX [eldaino]
Mar 01, 2007 (12:25 pm)
Yes, the 140 hp out of the 1.8L Civic engine is pretty good, better than the 138 out of the old Hyundai Beta engine. Not as good however as the hp from the 1.8L Hyundai/DC/Mitsubishi engine, which may wind up in the Elantra in the not-too-distant future. So it appears Honda is a little behind in hp, comparing the latest engines.
But the new 1.8L motor isn't in the Elantra yet (I felt I had to say that because someone else would have).
#1492 of 1641 Re: Honda Civic skimpy on features [targettuning]
Mar 01, 2007 (12:27 pm)
(I wear ALL types of pants)
A-Ha! That was great. I do too!
What do you mean they don't have that 'honda "H"'? Mine had it on the steering wheel, the front and the back. Triple H.
(isn't that a wrestler?)
I feel for your probs target. I really do! I'd be unhappy as well. But i never EVER, EVER had any of those problems with my civic. Just the driver side window noise thing (which was barely audible even when it was doing it) and the visors. I got mine in november of 2005 so i dunno what the dillio was with yours. I can't explain it and never said i could, but to say you DIDN"T get a dud now may be far from the truth!
Are there other cars for cheaper that have more standard features? Yes. And alot of them are like that now, probably directly related to counter civic sales and the fact that people are eating them up.
If the lack of features upset you, why did you buy the car? Why not shop around, read these websites? Sorry bro but that is your fault not hondas.
Never considered a civic (even as nice as they are now) a true 'premium' car.