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#1339 of 2044 Oil analysis after running Mobil 1 5W-30 for 10K
Apr 21, 2003 (8:07 am)
THIS CAME BACK YESTERDAY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
UNIT 2000 MAZDA 626 LX-V6
MI/HR ON OIL 10,000
MI/HR ON UNIT 60,000
SAMPLE DATE 4/6/2003
FIRST NUMBER IS MY OIL AND SECOND NUMBER IS UNIVERSAL AVERAGE
ALUMINUM 7 4
CHROMIUM 2 1
IRON 33 12
COPPER 7 6
LEAD 23 5
TIN 0 13
MOLYBDENUM 75 0
NICKEL 1 0
MANGANESE 1 1
SILVER 0 0
TITANIUM 0 0
POTASSIUM 2 0
BORON 108 38
SILICON 11 9
SODIUM 9 6
CALCIUM 2951 1304
MAGNESIUM 73 481
PHOSPHORUS 801 747
ZINC 963 880
BARIUM 0 1
SUS VISCOSITY 210 ºF 64 55-62
FLASHPOINT IN ºF 415 >365
FUEL % <0.5 <2.0
WATER % 0 <0.05
ANTIFREEZE % 0 0
INSOLUBLES % 0.04 <0.6
LAB COMMENT:Nothing too unusual showed up here. This oil was run quite a bit longer that what we
normally see and this is the reason for most of the high wear. The universal averages column shows typical wear from this type of engine after 4,000-5,000 miles on the oil. Lead at 23 ppm shows mildly high bearing wear, though everything else looks okay. The TBN was 3.5 which is low, but not a problem. 2.0 or less is considered a problem. The oil started at 10-11. No fuel or anti-freeze was present. Suggest going 11,000 next oil and resample at that point to monitor.
#1340 of 2044 qbrozen (#1338)
Apr 21, 2003 (8:59 am)
Not so fast:
1. Fuel economy:
Forget the EPA estimates.
My Maxima gets 27 MPG combined. My Mazda gets 23 MPG combined, period. Both are 5 speeds, same driver and fuel, so I am comparing apples to apples. At 80 MPH Mazda engine is doing almost 4000 rpm in top gear vs. 3200 rpm for Maxima. Mazda engine lacks bottom end torque so you have to rev it up considerably to develop power - all this at substantial fuel economy penalty. In fact, Mazda engine loves to rev and shifting gears at 5K rpm is necessary to get good performance from this engine.
2. Cost of spark plug wires and spark plugs. The quoted prices are for the OEM replacement parts from Mazda. I found that the cost of plug wires will be around $ 100 no matter where you buy them. Original equipment replacement ones are made by NGK and I got mine for about $ 100 from a Mazda dealer (with some discount). The Bosch platinum spark plugs do not perform well in Mazda engines and dealers do not recommend them. The original plugs are DENSO platinum plugs and they are about $ 18 a piece from the Mazda dealer (I could not find them anywhere else).
3. Better handling from Mazda? You have got to be kidding. The suspension and CV joints/axles on this car are so unrefined and crude that one cannot enjoy this car at all. I already had my axles/CV joints replaced under warranty for annoying vibration. The new ones have alleviated the problem, but not totally eliminated it. I had a defective front wheel hub/knuckle assembly replaced under warranty. I had a defective front tire. I know at least two other people who had axle/CV joints problems on this car, but Mazda never bothered to recall these vehicles. Instead they train their service reps to send you away with a smile that your car is performing as it should. In fact I was told that the reason for vibration is that the parts are turning really fast. I got my axles replaced only because a local Mazda mechanic owned a similar car, had the same vibration problem and replaced half of his car before they found that the axles were defective. And I would like to know how many other people who had this problem were turned away under warranty and nothing was done for them.
4. Resale value: It is beyond an insult for this vehicle. I was quoted as low as $ 4500 for a 99 ES V6 with 64 K miles in showroom condition.(original MSRP $ 23,000). I regret ever buying this car.
Apr 21, 2003 (9:12 am)
dealers don't recommend you buying parts from an outside source.... now there's a head-scratcher. Just so ya know, I never had a problem using non-Mazda parts in mine. Do yourself a favor and just risk that $8 to buy the Napa plugs and give them a shot.
No. I'm really not kidding about the handling. I found the Maxima/I30 to be way too soft and leaned way too much in the turns for my taste. And I never had any suspension problems in the Mazda. Again, this goes to personal experiences. You've had good luck with your Nissan and bad with your Mazda. My experiences have been exactly opposite. That's why I steer away from issues like mechanical breakdowns.
Yes. I agree. The resale is bad. But look at that from a buyer's perspective. They could pick up a "showroom condition 64K mile ESV6" for about $6K. And, as long as the 60K service was done, they have a new timing belt to boot.
I'm not surprised at your mileage figures since you stated that you keep the RPMs up. Personally, I drive all my cars pretty hard and would definitely get way worse mileage in the Maxima as well.
#1342 of 2044 626 for sale
Apr 21, 2003 (12:36 pm)
Wow indeed: I'd be glad to sell you my 626. I must say that I could line up 10's of thousands of owners who have all had the same problems with this lousy car. I guess 3 transmissions per V4 automatic is not enough? Who are you kidding: 626 isn't even on the same planet as the Maxima. Again, I'll stand on the sidelines and let the 10's of thousands of owners speak for me: check out any Consumer Reports and read what they have to say about their own cars. The quality of ownership over time is awful compared to the Maxima. Unless of course, you are one of those people who trades his car in every 2 years.
Apr 21, 2003 (4:47 pm)
actually, every 3 years.
we were talking about the V6, remember? i know all about the 4-cyl (not a "v4" by the way) tranny problems.
#1344 of 2044 # 1341
Apr 21, 2003 (8:05 pm)
I do not drive my vehicles hard. The 2.5 l V6 Mazda engine is designed to produce power at high RPM, therefore to get any decent performance, you MUST keep the RPMs high. This is not true of the Maxima, which has much better low end torque characteristics and can be shifted at much lower RPMs with the same or better performance results, while delivering better fuel economy. Not to mention the fact that the Mazda engine is much louder that the Nissan engine.
I was told not to use the Bosch spark plugs in my Mazda not only by several Mazda dealers, but also several auto parts stores. Everybody recommended NGK plugs for this car.
Here are some other Mazda "innovations" that make it a more attractive car: 1. No fog lights (deleted after 98 as stadard equipment on the ES V6)
2. No ABS or traction control (deleted after 98 as standard equipment on the ES V6)
3. Outside mirrors do not fold
4. There is no remote release for the fuel door
5. Frame drain holes are covered with a piece of duct tape from the factory which fell off shortly after driving in a rain. Mazda must be saving a fortune in the plastic plugs. Also, some drain holes in the engine compartment are covered with pieces of cheap tape that fell of after several car washes.
6. Factory aluminum alloy wheels are so stupidly designed that if you mount them on a wheel balancer and tighten the centering cone, you will scratch off the clear coat and veins of aluminum oxide will form under the clearcoat very shortly. Using wheel weights nicks the clearcoat as well and causes corrosion under the clearcoat. I already had my wheels replaced under warranty because of this.
7. The dash mounted clock used for years in Mazda vehicles has been deleted in this model
There is one thing I like about my Mazda more than the Maxima, and it is the sound of its starter when cranking the engine. That's about it.
Apr 22, 2003 (7:47 am)
No offense but if you dislike 626 so much why are you still driving it?
I have 2000 626 LX - V6 5 speed and I'm quite happy with it. 60 K and no mechanical problems, low maintenance cost(I don't buy parts from dealer), drives great, handles even better.
I'm not sure that maxima and 626 are in the same category anyway...I think it would be fair to compare maxima to millenia.
#1346 of 2044 zoomzoom626
Apr 22, 2003 (8:45 am)
I am still driving it because every time I want to sell the car or trade it in I find out that I practically have to give it away. I had it advertised for three weeks at a very reasonable price and did not get a single phone call.
It serves its purpose as a work car and as far as reliability goes it is reliable.
Maybe you do not have the same problems with the car that I have. Maybe Mazda did not install defective reject CV joints in your new car as they did in mine (and probably replaced them with another questionable set under warranty, much like they replace defective transmissions with crummy rebuilt units). Also, different people have different expectations from their cars. What is unacceptable to one person may be perfectly acceptable to somebody else.
Apr 22, 2003 (12:56 pm)
Try Carmax..They will give you best dollar for your car and you don't have to buy one from them.
Apr 22, 2003 (1:01 pm)
I think he meant me: I drive mine because I put $3500 in repairs in 5 years into the car. That bill went to the extended warranty company, fortunately for me. Nonetheless, P100, don't stop there: how bout the 2 radiators, my second rack and pinion is leaking, poor struts, bushings and bearings, and on and on and on. To answer your question: I continue to drive it because I am driving it into the ground. The thing is useless otherwise; no one in their right mind would buy it for more that $2,000. Also, despite the rack and pinion, I have the thing purring (I do some of the work on the car myself). I guess my zoom zoom break in period starts at age 6, and after over $5500 in maintenance and repairs. Compared to my Corolla which lasted 13 years with NO problems, I'd say the 626 was a bad choice. Oh, I also enjoy how this 2.0 engine is zoom-zoom in the summer, but cough-cough in the cold weather. I haven't figured that one out yet. Oh, did I mention the transmission??? he, he, he