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Audi A4, Sedan
#579 of 6042 JBaumgart
Feb 09, 2001 (8:56 am)
Thanks for filling me in with some info regarding the A4 changes for 1998. I should have been able to guess about the "atmospheres" introduction, but I didn't know there were several changes for 1998.5 models. It is interesting how Audi (and I guess VW) provide so many updates in mid-year. I believe the indash CD player was added for 1999.5. For 2001.5, Audi added the "Celebration Package", as well as 17" rims/tires for the Quattro Sport package.
Regarding your next purchase, I have to admit I'm a little biased toward the MDX, but the new Audi Allroad seems to be an awesome vehicle. I can see why you would strongly consider it. I wouldn't worry too much about some negative feedback here and there within MDX discussion groups. I wouldn't compare the number of negative posts for the MDX versus the number of negative posts for the Allroad. The MDX has been on sale since the beginning of October, and they have been selling about 3000 per month. For example, JD Powers says Acura sold 3414 MDX's during January 2001. In comparison, I believe less than 500 Allroads were sold in January. Since people are more likely to write into discussion groups if they have a problem/complaint than if they have no problems, the MDX discussion groups would likely see more complaints than Allroad discussion groups. That's my theory, anyway, assuming all other things being equal. I also suspect there would be fewer negative posts if Acura dealerships were more consistent with their pricing and customer service. Unfortunately, it seems that a few Acura dealers in North America offer no better service than a typical Nissan or Honda dealer.
#580 of 6042 equalizer1
Feb 09, 2001 (8:58 am)
Are you or your husband going to want to trade or sell your TL for the new 2002 TL Type S that should be arriving in a few months? I hear it will have 260hp, and improved suspension and steering!
#581 of 6042 chicago auto show
Feb 09, 2001 (7:52 pm)
I just came back from the chicago auto show, and while there I stopped at the audi display. While talking with one of the reps, I asked if audi was planning on offering a subvented lease program for the remaining A4s once the new platform comes closer to being released. The rep seemed to think that there will be some special lease rates that should be instituted in the near future. So if you are planning on leasing, I would wait a little bit longer, it could save you a fair amount of cash. I also asked about the absence of power seats in the A4 1.8T, and he just laughed, then looked over his shoulder towards the current generation A4 2.8. Damn the marketing ploys, just give me my seat. How does the A4 handle on long commutes? Is it excessively noisy at cruising speeds around 80 mph, as I spend alot of time around that zone. I really like the 3.0 V6 in my 2000 accord, but the car lacks soul.
Feb 12, 2001 (8:07 am)
Funny. I could have sworn there was a reply to your post in here just 1-2 days ago from somebody else.
I drove the A4 for a 100-mile commute from the out-of-town Audi dealer shortly after I had purchased it, and it drove just fine. It might take a little while to get accustomed to the firmer seats, but they are quite comfortable for the long trips. It is also reasonably quiet when cruising at 75mph. I did not go 80mph on the new engine. I would suspect the 2000 Accord V6 *might* be a little quieter cruiser, but I can't say for sure because it's been awhile since I test drove it.
I agree with you on the Accord. It's a fine car, but it doesn't have the steering or road feel of the A4, and it doesn't brake as well as the A4. The Accord also doesn't feel as nimble, either on the corners or when accelerating. The Accord is good in many respects, but it doesn't bring about many emotions. It's rather "sterile".
Back in 1998 we almost purchased a new '98 Accord EX-V6 coupe for my wife, but after a couple test drives, we both realized we enjoyed driving a '98 BMW 323is much more than the Accord. It was $6K more, but we felt it was worth it mostly due to the better driving experience. In my opinion, the A4 1.8T is very similar to the BMW 323. With the A4, you lose a little bit of steering feel, but you get a little nicer interior and more value for the dollar. (By the way, that 323is also had manual seats!)
#584 of 6042 Model Year Changes
Feb 12, 2001 (10:00 am)
Thanks to all for the data! I will also check into the AudiWorld Forum site. This site is making my decision much easier. It sounds like I just have to find the "right" model with the "right" package.
#585 of 6042 cotmc, thanks for the info
Feb 12, 2001 (3:20 pm)
I agree totally with you about the rather anesthetic nature of the accord sedan. I actually have a 00' V6 EX Coupe as well, and also think that its handling doesn't quite live up to its agressive exterior. I think it looks nice though, the V6 is a very well designed engine, and dollar for dollar it is a pretty decent buy. I fell in love with the feel of the audi though, it felt much more refined and the interior is amazing. Also the 1.8T availability of low end torque makes it extremely pleasant to drive in the city. The only dilemna is to wait for the 02 model with the changes, or try and get a better deal on the current platform. Motor trend ran a preview on the A4 3.0 and seemed to like it. It has a little more room, especially in the backseat, which is good. The 220 hp v6 along with a stiffer body, should make it handle a little better as well. I have mixed feelings about the A6ish backend, and would like to see it in person. Again, thanks for the info.
#586 of 6042 GETZ1: RE A4 on long trip
Feb 12, 2001 (4:01 pm)
I recently took my 2000 1.8T on its first long trip, a 2K mi round trip from Huntsville, AL to Miami and the overall driving experience was excellent...much better than the '95 Accord EX it replaced. Even though the Accord had custom leather seats with adjustable lumbar support, it was never as comfortable on long trips as the A4 (2000 A4s have no adjustable lumbar support). The Accord was a very smooth, comfortable ride but the A4 has a surprisingly good ride and has quite a bit more front leg room. I'm 5'10", 155lbs and I always felt a little cramped up in the Accord. I'd have to move the seat back to stretch my legs but in the A4, without having to move the seat, I can stretch them out completely and not touch anything. Although my A4 is tiptronic, I had no problem keeping up with the big boys on the highway. The A4 is basically quiet except for wind noise around the sunroof, which is very noticeable and annoying at highway speeds. This is my biggest complaint about the car. My Accord was overall noisier (road & tire noise, etc) but it had very little wind noise from the sunroof. Hopefully Audi will address this problem on its new vehicles.
One observation about Accords. I've driven new Accords and believe me, the '95/'96 Accords were completely different animals than the new ones. My '95 5-speed EX was actually fun to drive, handled excellent, had a great ride, and was reasonably unique in styling although it didn't exactly have a "Camry-quiet" interior. The new ones I drove had excessive cabin noise, squeaks, and had a very rough ride, much like the new Infiniti I-30s. The A4 is a noticeably smoother riding, quieter car (even with the noisy sunroof) and is an obvious leap in quality and refinement, as you've already mentioned.
I'm with you on the new A4 styling. Overall it looks good but like most who have voiced opinons, the A6-ish rear end looks dubious, as does the squared-off front grill. In the pictures I've seen, it also appeared there are chrome accent strips just below the trunk and on the front spoiler that looks just as tacky as it does on the A6. But I'm keeping an open mind and will wait until I actually see one to make any judgements.
Feb 12, 2001 (4:07 pm)
"The new ones I drove had excessive cabin noise, squeaks, and had a very rough ride, much like the new Infiniti I-30s."
What do you mean by this? I have a 2000 I30 and it rides very smooth, has very little cabin noise, and no squeaks. It has 12,000 miles.
That said, I drove an A4 1.8T Quattro on Saturday and liked it very much, but I don't think it is any quieter than our I30. I will probably get the A4 in a month or so, as soon as I sell my 4Runner. I30 was for my wife - all she wanted was a quiet, powerful car with a nice interior. I want a fun-to-drive car (one area that the I30 is lacking - fun).
#588 of 6042 mmcbride1
Feb 12, 2001 (4:54 pm)
I certainly don't mean to diss yours or anyone else's choice in vehicles. I just gave my personal opinion after driving two Y2K I-30s and to me it was a rough ride. From my statement I can see how you would naturally assume I was accusing the I-30 of being squeaky and noisy as well, but I was referring only to the ride quality (I'd edit that statement but it's too late!). I-30s are extremely quiet and I've always loved their V6. The two I drove were tight and dead-quiet, and certainly quieter than the A4. I just didn't like the ride. Even the salesman admitted it rode "a bit on the stiff side" so I know I'm not alone here. Ironically, while looking at cars, my decision came down to a used '97 I-30 and a new A4. The '97 rode fantastic but you hit the nail on the head: although the I-30 is a quiet, powerful luxury car, it isn't much fun. You'll love the A4. What color(s) are you considering? Since you mentioned "fun" I imagine you'll be going with a 5 speed.