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Audi A4, Sedan
Jul 29, 2001 (7:09 am)
I agree that the 02 A4 will have it's own issues, however these will surely be handled by the Audi Advantage warranty. The problem with the Jetta was the # of posts that I read for recurring issues. Things reported in 1998, that are still happening today, like bad window regulators, check engine lights repeatedly comming on, seats that seem to shake/rattle while drive, break fade and etc. I'm not knocking the Jetta as it is currently my #2 pick in case I change my mind about the A4.
However right off the bat the A4 seems to have almost everything I'm really looking for. The interior is better, the cup holders are supposedly larger, more room in the back seat, slightly bigger trunk, more standard safety features, and an automatic (multitronic) that is as good if not better than a manual on acceleration and fuel efficientcy. As far as I'm concerned I only need to chose the color, add a moonroof and get 16" wheels and I'm done.
#1605 of 6042 CVT only on Fronttrak for now?
Jul 29, 2001 (3:55 pm)
Is there any technical reason for not having the CVT on the quattro in 2002 or is this just another example of having something new to market "a4 quattro with CVT in 2003 or 2004" to keep up the excitement after the first year of the new A4 model?
#1606 of 6042 more miscellaneous thoughts...
Jul 29, 2001 (4:51 pm)
rich-- hmmm, never thought of that angle... interesting thought. I just figured that it was too expensive from an engineering standpoint to put the CVT on the Quattro.
Wendell-- Yeah, I agree with Billy about the pricing of the 2002's. From what I'm reading, it sounds like they won't be dealing too much on them at introduction. Those that are ordering now give me the impression that they are paying close to MSRP (although the MSRP has yet to be announced). But I'm sure this will vary from dealer to dealer. Another thing that I'm gathering is that they will be "trickling" in and dealers won't have large quantities to sell at introduction. Of course, this is not anyting official, just what I've been reading on the net and various publications... could just be speculation and rumor. In fact, that's exactly what it is! ...LOL. So nevermind :p
Ken-- stop making me drool, damnit! :p
Billy-- Nope, couldn't do it. The manual almost makes it sounds like you can turn the a/c on and off but what it is saying is that you can turn the whole "automatic climate control system" off by pressing the "off" button (sheesh, that's self-explanatory!). It does say that you can turn the compressor off by using the "econ" button but that's not answering your original request of being able to turn the a/c on while the automatic controls turn it off once it reaches the temperature that you set. I guess you'll just have to set the temperature down while you take the moisture out of the air and then re-adjust it again.
And Billy-- I think this board is eventually going to transform over to talking about the 2002 model (duh! that's obvious for it is the logical progression) as most of the posts are now addressing the new model. Remember what I said several months ago? I think that we may have to request a thread that just deals with the discussion (problems, questions and general discussion) of our *lowly* old model line because pretty soon we will just become "second class citizens" of this board. *laughs and cries at the same time*
Jul 29, 2001 (5:38 pm)
I own a 2000 jetta as well as 2001 A4. The Jetta has been flawless at 28,000. I have a diesel and I think their diesel's are probably their best motors. Might be a leap, but mine runs great, and they have 5 more of them for the German VW's. Gotta love the 1.8t quattro though.
#1608 of 6042 Why I chose the 2001.5 over the 2002:
Jul 29, 2001 (5:51 pm)
Actually, the 2002 is about 200 pounds heavier, than the 2001.5 because of the increase in body length and the better structural rigidity. Audi uses the "chip" to control turbo output, therefore, any possible performance gains via that route would be realized easier than similar mods on the normally aspirated motors. Being 200 pounds lighter with so much potential, the 2001.5 has real potential from a "hot rodder's" perspective. As soon as my warranty is over, I plan on converting the car to the 6 spd manual and upgrading the front brakes to the S4 standard. Since I already have the Quattro Sport Package, there will be no need to upgrade the suspension to match that already found on the S4. So, you see, I had put a lot of forethought into the "hot rodding" issue. The car comes from the factory with so much potential...it just needs to be coaxed out of it. The S4 has about 350 pounds on the A4 1.8T Quattro w/5 spd. A 1.0 bar chip, some minor brake mods and a 6 spd tranny and I've got an S4 for a LOT LESS $$. One other thing, the 2001.5 body lines are a classic and will be for sometime. Those that think the 2001.5 is old news are surely mistaken. The 2002 resembles the A6 and IMHO the looks just don't compare to the venerable 2001.5.
Jul 29, 2001 (6:07 pm)
One author's article left the impression that he believes that Audi wants the CVT for front drive models so each Audi model will have a unique quality unmatched by others.
Another article noted that Audi's CVT uses electrically powered clutch packs instead of a torque converter. It says that the variable pulleys are connected by a heavy link-plate chain. They're claiming that it's as quick and efficient as a manual transmission. It also states that it's programmed with six pre-defined ranges managed by a Tiptronic sequential selector giving drivers the option of operating it like a conventional automatic with sport shifter. Assuming this is true, it would seem that Audi has addressed concerns that some have expressed regarding not having direct control over gear selection with CVT. Now, my only concern with CVT would be with regard to reliability. Personally, I'd love to see Audi provide an extended warranty for those who opt for this transmission.
Jul 29, 2001 (6:22 pm)
Eban-- I was just joking when I referred to the 2001.5 an "lowly old model" ...I've said it before as has Billy, the current model just has classic good looks (although Billy disagreed with me on using the word "classic" once, lol) and its lines will wear well into the future. But more and more people are expressing their preference for the new '02's looks and features. Features I can understand but I'm still not sold on its looks although it's not as unappealing to me as it was the first time I saw pitures of it months ago. One thing that I will miss is that the new '02 will not have the integrated analog voltmeter and oil temperature gauges (I know, I know, it's just me and most people don't care how many gauges a car has ...but that alone may keep me from considering a car for purchase). That's why I like the new A6 for it is keeping the two gauges unchanged. So anyway, just as anything else, there are people who adore the new A4's styling and then there are those of us that just plain like the "classic" look of our current model. So yes, I will have to somewhat disagree with Ken when he says: "It's the next generation A4, it won't have that 'yesterdays' look or feel for years to come."
#1612 of 6042 buying info on 2002...
Jul 29, 2001 (7:08 pm)
Just read over on VWVortex that several people have ordered '02 A4's $1,000 over invoice. They did this without knowing what the invoice or MSRP is but the dealers are taking the order at whatever the invoice price may be. $1,000 over invoice would definitely be substantially under MSRP so you folks that are itching for one and want to be one of the first on your block to have one, run to your local dealer and see if they'd accept that offer! Have at it! ...and good luck!
#1613 of 6042 MY 2002 A4 HP
Jul 29, 2001 (7:45 pm)
The order form for the A4 1.8T has engine HP at 170. Interesting that there are rumors of 180HP. Wouldn't it be nice.