Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#9829 of 24726 Re: Yawn...... [brightness04]
Jul 12, 2005 (6:49 pm)
Unless of course, MB sales has undergone so much growth in recent years that 72% of all cars sold in the last 50 years were actually made in the last 10 years. In that case, it would be a highly misleading marketing speak.
Of course, that's exactly what it is: "marketing speak" to use your term. Mercedes' overall car production in recent years is many many multiples of what it was in 1955-80. It's just a clever manipulation of statistics. But it sounds good, doesn't it?
I'm sure Merc1 can give us the total production figures for say 1956 and 2004 and you'll see the point.
Jul 15, 2005 (8:56 am)
There's already a big discussion about it in the "next IS" forum. This isnt really the forum for the IS.
#9835 of 24726 Re: Maybach = Moneyback [scott1256]
Jul 17, 2005 (4:21 pm)
I couldn't agree more with your comments re: the MB brand. In this market, which has a glut of good luxury brands, it is a very bad time to try to build a brand essentially from ground zero. When most people think of the benchmark premium automotive luxury brand they think MB. When they think of the benchmark premium watch brand, for example, they think Rolex. The fact is that both assumptions are wrong. However, both have excellent brands that they have built over years and years.
#9836 of 24726 Re: Maybach = Moneyback [flyfisher1]
Jul 18, 2005 (6:55 am)
Too bad my Rolex is a lot more reliable than my MB. Also my Rolex has increased in value, but my MB lost value.
#9837 of 24726 fyi - change to hp ratings
Jul 19, 2005 (5:06 am)
"The  LS 430 comes with a 278-horsepower 4.3-liter aluminum V8 and a six-speed automatic transmission. (The same engine was rated 290 horsepower last year, which might lead some consumers to wonder how Lexus let those 12 horses get away. What has in fact happened is that the Society of Automotive Engineers, or SAE, has revised its test procedures for horsepower and torque, and as a result some of the numbers are coming out lower this year. So in fact all the ponies are still in the stable; but the racing commission is counting them differently. There is no change in performance over last year's model as it's the same.)" http://www.newcartestdrive.com/review-intro.cfm?Vehicle=2006_Lexus_LS%20430&ReviewID=1750
#9838 of 24726 MB and more..
Jul 19, 2005 (7:09 am)
I see the same comments about MB being made once again. MB is here to stay pure and simple on the grounds of brand strength alone. They could rebadge Yugos as MB's and people will still buy them. Here's an example: Under the ownership of British Leyland, Jaguar's quality control was horrendous..But people still bought them. Jaguar owners were quite loyal for many of the same reasons most Euro owners are.
I was somewhat disappointed by the new S-Class. I didn't think MB needed to copy the 7 Series. They already had a great interior design. The outside isn't as exciting as the current car, but it does look nice in that Dark Maroon picture Merc posted aways back. If their quality is up to par I'll definitely have a look. The CLS is an interesting looking car, but the headlight treatment could have been better.
The LS sketches look okay. I certainly won't be rushing to trade in my LS430 for that. Come to think of it, I'm not really impressed by anything that is in the pipeline. The sole interesting looking car is the Audi A8.
I actually did see a Maybach in Boston the other day. I wasn't terribly impressed. I'd much rather have a MB S600. The S has a cleaner classier look to it. Makes me sort of regret passing on the S430. The current S is a handsome car. Anyone know how the S Class is faring in reliability these days?