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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jul 11, 2005 (9:10 am)
You know, if I were MB or even BMW, I'd constitute a "Lexus Strategy Team" to combat what may be a tough battle ahead against Toyota and its horde of cash, ingenuity, persevearance, will to win, and aggressive determination to simply take over the auto world and become numero uno by 2010. Its only 5 years away and all signs point to it happening, maybe even earlier than planned. I am dead serious here. MB is not helping itself much with the new S-style which is regressive to the current style. I hope that there is such a thing as a tactical SWAT team in the wings calculating every Lexus move and planning on counter attacks otherwise......
#9812 of 24726 Betting on the S
Jul 11, 2005 (9:44 am)
According to today’s Wall Street Journal, Mercedes-Benz is counting on a new version of its high-end S-Class sedan to help put the shine back on its three-pointed star after a spate of quality problems.
"The revamped S-Class (with exterior styling borrowed from the ultraluxury Maybach sedan) will make its U.S. debut in six months but the car will be unveiled at the Frankfurt Auto Show in September, and MB has begun to whet American interest by posting photos of the sedan on its U.S. Web site.
The S-Class comes with a seven-speed automatic transmission -- most competing cars have only five or six forward gears -- and seats that provide four levels of pulsating massage.
But other slick features are being cut back. Gone are the electronic key fobs and sophisticated type of braking. Instead, Mercedes is playing up high-tech accident-avoidance and an infrared camera that can extend the driver's visibility to nearly 500 feet.
Despite its position as the world's best-selling premium brand, Mercedes sales in the United States, the world's biggest auto market, trail those of BMW, Lexus and Cadillac.
Worse, Mercedes, once DaimlerChrysler's cash cow, has become a money loser. In April, Mercedes reported its first quarterly loss in more than a decade, caused partly by quality problems that led to the biggest recall in Mercedes history, covering 1.3 million cars, or a year's worth of sales.
One sign of Mercedes officials' confidence in the new S-Class: Its starting price in Germany, about €70,760 ($84,523), is a couple of thousand euros more than that of a comparably equipped BMW 7-Series."
#9813 of 24726 Re: Betting on the S [bwia]
Jul 11, 2005 (11:36 am)
I can't say I really like the styling direction of MB with the new S class. Kind of reminds me of what Cadillac is doing with those swoopy hard lines going down the side of the car. Not very German like.
#9814 of 24726 Maybach = Moneyback
Jul 11, 2005 (12:48 pm)
Maybach now has a $50,000 rebate on cars sold to commercial users (such as hotels and resorts) and on all Maybach demos.
This has to be the most extreme rebate program ever!
IMO the Mercedes name is more prestigious than Maybach. End the Maybach experiment and let Mercedes move upscale if DC wants a Rolls/Bentley fighter.
#9815 of 24726 Yawn......
Jul 11, 2005 (8:18 pm)
Wanted to return to a different type of conversation, but nope, same old tired dump on Mercedes crapola.
Mercedes gives a percentage of their cars that are still on the road, yet it is seen as untrue or silly. Yet if Lexus said the same thing from 1990 onward it would be seen as a true testament as to how good Lexuses are. Like MB would really make such a statement without some research.
Is life in Lexiland really that boring that Mercedes has to be discussed each and every day? Is Lexilot envy of Mercedes really that bad to the point of having a buzzards circling type conversation every week? Its beyond tired at this point.
#9816 of 24726 Re: Yawn...... [merc1]
Jul 11, 2005 (8:37 pm)
Hey all of you Lexus aficionado's, when will the next LS appear?
#9818 of 24726 Re: Yawn...... [merc1]
Jul 11, 2005 (9:02 pm)
I guess I am one of the rare ones that love BOTH Mercedes and Lexus. It just depends on which particular new model is available when I'm ready to buy. My wife wanted a convertible and chose the SC430, even though I tried to get her into an SL500. Guess the blame goes to the salesman who didn't want to let me take an SL for a test drive.
I got to choose the "practical" car and ended up with an LS430, even though my wife favored the S500.
When it's time to replace these cars, I will give equal consideration to both Lexus and Mercedes. I believe the quality/reliability issues with MB are overblown, as is the "bland and boring" tag attached to Lexus.
Both make great cars, and we as consumers can only benefit from the competition.
Sometimes we take our cars a little too seriously, maybe?
#9819 of 24726 Re: Yawn...... [stomp32]
Jul 11, 2005 (9:22 pm)
I'd say you are a rare breed indeed.
When you get past all the bs and hype, Lexus will be hot just like Mercedes, and BMW and Infiniti and even Cadillac if they all continue to come to market with new and exciting products. None of these brands are going to go away because of Lexus and the Europeans until knocked off their perch in every segment worldwide, not just a class or two in the U.S. will remain at the top of the heap.
Lexus couldn't begin to erase what MB and BMW have at their cores with their lame designs and pull-car dynamics, lack of models, and wannabe image. If such a thing does happen it wont be while any of us are posting here.
Jul 11, 2005 (10:58 pm)
"Mercedes gives a percentage of their cars that are still on the road, yet it is seen as untrue or silly. Yet if Lexus said the same thing from 1990 onward it would be seen as a true testament as to how good Lexuses are. Like MB would really make such a statement without some research."
Well, the point I was trying to make is that a sweeping statement like that covering 50 years of Mercedes history doesnt mean a whole lot when we're talking about problems that have really only been serious since maybe 1998 at the earliest. To me, the fact that Mercedes had to cancel their free scheduled service because it was costing them too much money is a lot more telling about what Mercedes quality is like now not in 1960, 1970, or 1980. It puts them at a definite competitive disadvantage vs. BMW and Audi that have not cancelled their programs. I have to assume that Mercedes will want to bring the program back...but that would require full confidence that the quality problems have been fixed. I'm waiting...
"Go to the 2007 LS board, talk about delirium. The Germancarfans are now "fools" and Lexus has taken over the world, that and the usual stuff "
For the record, we arent all like that and also for the record, I'd say there are just as many fanatical German car fans that would spit at even the thought of trying a Lexus or Infiniti because they could never equal untouchable Germany.