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You are in the Sedans
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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jun 22, 2005 (9:03 am)
You need to go wake up the S-class board. No one has even posted the new model.pix there.
Love this quote from your post:
"If a Mercedes doesn't look good in their signature "Brilliant Silver" we have a problem."
If that doesn't show your team staus with MB, nothing ever will. By the way, I completely agree. The current S looks great in that color (incredibly so with sport trim) and it was the color I likely would have taken in 2001.
Jun 22, 2005 (6:45 pm)
I think it is almost undeniable...Lexus does watch as Mercedes developes new Teck..and then they test it on their customers....Next Lexus improves that Technology , makes it dependable and sells it to their customers...
#9704 of 24726 Re: merc1 [michael_mattox]
Jun 22, 2005 (6:57 pm)
comon guys, let's not go there again
If a luxury garment worker starts to use a different style and/or different materials and the market reacts favorably then the other competitors follow suit. It's business and it's no different with cars. Lexus just joined this club in the last 15 years. They were not looked at to be the leader of innovation. That will change in the future though (it already is in process with this whole new motor technology) as they have emerged as a highly recognized lux brand now. On the other hand they made reliability their turf and as a result that is where everyone will always expect them to lead until the day they don't, assuming that day arrives sometime in the future. As for innovation, once the first guy commits and others follow, then everyone including the first guy tries to improve what has occurred. The mistakes happen, and it has happened to MB with electronics - when you try to rush things too fast or you just do them for reasons that are not apparent or not needed (the whole I-drive stupidity). In the case of the Germans, engineering, not electronics are their forte. They were bound to stumble in this area.
#9705 of 24726 Prediction: New S will be trounced by Lexi
Jun 22, 2005 (8:00 pm)
Well electronics is engineering. Oh gawd. Pray tell if Lexus or any Japanese premium or high quality builder like Honda has to wait for the germans to develop something new in the electronics arena. (They really have NO advantage mechanically that I can see though they make you believe they do). Durability is something foreign to them as is reliability. Go ask the guy on the S board who's superduper new SL hard top was stuck half retracted and drove home embarassed like that and compare the SC coupe, the car with the lowest problems of any make who's better in quality and electonics..
Hell will freeze over and back if I were to believe that they do electonics and micro-level mechanisms better than Tokyo. Not even close! Let them continue to develop useless frivilous things and rush them to market like clockwork and they will continue to keep the service boys paychecks fat and Lexus dealer lots full of unstable electronic headaches for the new owners. Germany is not even in the same ballpark or league as Japan globally and their cars are are pretty much inferior products from VW to taxicab maker Benz.. The next Lexi LS supersedan will leave them in the dust quality, technology ,design wise and still be cheaper & better built.. Mercedes can't even copy a decent looking clock they took from the trademark Infiniti clock.
#9706 of 24726 Re: merc1 [lexusguy]
Jun 22, 2005 (8:31 pm)
Yeah the sideskirts are a mess there, but otherwise thats a sharp looking car.
I agree. That picture has been floated on other sites, but it isn't official. Mercedes always waits a while after the initial introduction to show the sports package on cars like the S.
#9707 of 24726 Re: merc1 ...... [rroyce10]
Jun 22, 2005 (8:32 pm)
Hmmm, looks kinda like the old style Infiniti M45 .......
I don't see that, but which Q are you talking about, the 1990-1996 model or the 1997-2001 model?
#9708 of 24726 Re: merc1, navigator89 [ljflx]
Jun 22, 2005 (9:25 pm)
That makes the car 205" long. Wasn't the 99 exiting model 209"?. There were some reports that this would be the same size as that older car.
The old W140 S-Class (1992-1999) was 205.2 inches long, but that does make the new car basically the same size, with a 7 millimeter difference in favor of the old car.
#9709 of 24726 Re: merc1, navigator89 [merc1]
Jun 23, 2005 (5:35 am)
Somehow I got stuck on the old car being 209". Don't know where I got that from.
Merc - just to clarify - it's only the sport/AMG pix that is un-official, right? Everything else came from MB as I also saw a story on CNN online re this new S with one or two of the same pix you posted
I'm trying to figure out how this car will look good in AMG styling. Those wheel arches don't lend themselves to a sporty athletic look at all. Maybe the AMG guys will just get rid of them.
#9710 of 24726 Re: merc1, navigator89 [ljflx]
Jun 23, 2005 (6:31 am)
"Maybe the AMG guys will just get rid of them [wheel arches]."
Would be nice but it ain't happening. Major redesign with costly production ramifications. Those front arches are visually and physically integrated with too many sections.
#9711 of 24726 merc1, designman
Jun 23, 2005 (7:31 am)
I'm just curious...do you find Bangle 7-butts or S fenders more offensive?
I personally don't like the fenders but don't find them so devastatingly bad that the car is ruined. In fact I think the overall look of the car is good, at least in pics.