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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#9055 of 24726 Re: Pricing Point [oac]
Apr 22, 2005 (9:32 am)
please read my posts more carefully...I said just because you, and by you I mean the soldiers of the Toyota army who post here, can spend more on a car than the LS costs, but choose not to, doesn't mean everyone else in this market has the same option. A $60-65k LS can probably be leased in the $800's per month. An S430 average lease (36 months, 15k per year) is easily $400-500 more. I'm sure it doesn't take a genius to notice that some folks in our great country tend to live a bit beyond their means, and are stretching to get into an $800 a month car note, but can't even think about 4 figures. Just because you're living well within your means, don't assume everyone else is. Not everyone with a little money is as smart as you guys, believe me.
-With regards to the lower price/higher sales issue, there are lots of factors, it's not that cut and dried. Mercedes has, however, lowered the price of their car with good results. In 1994 the base price of a long WB S500 was $95,300, and the U.S. sales that year were 2,880 cars. In 1995, the price fell to $87,500 and the U.S. sales for that car in that year were 5,585 cars. Since then, needless to say, the base price is still lower, and the sales higher each year.
#9056 of 24726 Re: Merc1 [merc1]
Apr 22, 2005 (9:51 am)
You really are over-reacting badly here. Go back and read my posts. Did I say the next S is/will be ugly. No - I said I don't care for the creased line they (and Honda) seem to like these days (every spyshot I saw has it) and I think the new car will drop off in looks - mainly because the current car is as close to perfect in looks as you get with cars this big. If you read a real negative comment in there - so be it. Then I say that I've read - several times - they are going back to the real large car of the past generations - which was a 208-209" car and I say it's a mistake - in my opinion. None of those cars ever looked anything but big to me. The ability to make a large car l;ook smaller than it is has only occurred - IMO - with the current S-class. But you read another condemnation into that, yet all I said was I thought it would be a mistake. On the other hand I, OAC and others are gullible because we like the GS - supposedly off press releases at that. Truth is none of us liked the car off the press release. We liked it when we saw it in the paint. It's selling well so there must be plenty of others who like it.
Lastly - I have always said I never trust auto rag comparos becaue the bias is toward handling and not the balance most people seek in a car, particularly when we are talking high end lux cars. I always said individual car write-ups are worthwhile.
#9057 of 24726 Re: Pricing Point [stroudman]
Apr 22, 2005 (9:56 am)
When I was lease shopping in 2001 an S430 stickering at $76K and change was $185 more than an LS430 and an S500 stickering at $85k and change was $375 more. That is comparing it to a $62K and change LS430 at that time. The LS430 ultra at $71K and change actually had a higher lease price than the S430 but it was sold out for months.
#9058 of 24726 Re: Stroudman [anthonyp]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:01 am)
Thanks, Tony. This business has been very good to me, and I have had great success by talking very candidly with my prospects and taking good care of my buyers. Without them, I'd have nothing.
#9059 of 24726 Re: Pricing Point [ljflx]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:17 am)
If all of those payments were comfortable for you, that's great. I've lost lots of business over much smaller gaps in payment, it happens every day. For some buyers that's the difference between trading or not.
#9060 of 24726 Re: GS 300/430 [merc1]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:33 am)
"Despite what you and "circle" thinks, when a new Mercedes comes out its a big deal, especially a new S-Class. "
In the old days when MB cars were better, new MB was a big deal. But now no more. Look at the new M class, MB spent a lot in ads, but nobody is talking about it at all.
#9061 of 24726 Re: Merc1 [merc1]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:43 am)
"We were talking about the future S and styling and what not, yet it always reverts back to this same tired bs about the corporate side and the even more tired more sales=better car, things most buyers (except ljflx's "circle") couldn't care less about. Talk about inevitable and predictable. Yawn. "
If MB keeps on losing money, pretty soon there will be no MB to talk about. Now that will be Yawn.
#9062 of 24726 Re: Merc1 [ctsang]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:56 am)
C'mon. It's obvious that the Toyota Army wishes Mercedes would go away, but do you honestly believe they will?
#9063 of 24726 Re: Merc1 [stroudman]
Apr 22, 2005 (11:14 am)
MB may not go away. But look at GM, No. 1and the biggest for a long time, now going to be overtaken by Toyota. If Toyota can beat GM, they can beat anyone.
#9064 of 24726 Re: Pricing Point [stroudman]
Apr 22, 2005 (11:20 am)
Even if the prices of LS, S, and 7 series were the same, I would still think more people will buy LS. Why Bill Gates drives a LS? You mean he can't afford a MB?