Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Apr 04, 2005 (12:59 pm)
"Also, the 2005 Jaguar Super V8, the flagship XJ, gets better fuel economy than the BMW 760Li."
True. But the 760 is heavier, and has more HP and torque. No bad for 1 less mpg highway, 2 less city.
I agree with your BMW styling comments; i am not pleased with the new look. Jag definitely, IMO, makes a pretier vehicle.
PS: i think we all know what the aluminum frame looks like now.
#8883 of 24726 Road & Track test of high end European sedans
Apr 04, 2005 (2:56 pm)
I got my May R&T today. I was especially surprised that the S500 came in dead last in the rankings, even though it had the best 0-60 time, the best 1/4 mile time, the highest "ride" score, the highest "gearbox" score, the lowest 70 mph noise level, and the highest observed mpg of the 5 cars tested. This is pretty amazing performance for a car that is in its 7th year of production and about to be replaced. The S500 was the only one of the cars with 17 inch wheels; the others had 19s or 18s. Maybe this had something to do with its relatively low handling and braking scores? The S500 also had the second to lowest weight of the 5 cars. Doesn't seem like its an obsolete design to me.
#8884 of 24726 Re: Road & Track test of high end European sedans [rcf8000]
Apr 04, 2005 (3:29 pm)
Are you going to keep us hanging? Can you give us a synopsis of the results? Just Euro Sedans? Good, that may keep a lid on the Circular Talk Society. Unless of course someone from the Land of the Rising Sun Club launches a missile at Stuttgart.
"Doesn't seem like its an obsolete design to me."
Well we have the RL Large coming out soon. Progress you know.
#8885 of 24726 Re: Road & Track test of high end European sedans [designman]
Apr 04, 2005 (3:38 pm)
Ranking from 1st to 5th: 745Li, A8L, XJ8L, Phaeton V8, and S500. The ranking was the same for price-independent and price-dependent.
#8886 of 24726 Re: Road & Track test of high end European sedans [rcf8000]
Apr 04, 2005 (3:55 pm)
#8888 of 24726 Re: Road & Track test of high end European sedans [ljflx]
Apr 04, 2005 (5:00 pm)
too tired to indulge it today, daylight savings time has me turned upside down. I will try to strike one blow if I can...
-When you look far and wide enough, you can dig up some dirt on every culture, government, business entity, etc., out there. When it comes to ethics, politics, morals and the like, you can't judge the past in the context of the present.
-I'll say this, as much as I LOVE the CLS, and I do, I am glad they don't offer it in yellow.
#8889 of 24726 Lexus...the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Apr 04, 2005 (5:05 pm)
I'm glad luxury cars like the Maserati Quattroporte are made. It isn't just a way to get from point A to point B like a Lexus LS. It has soul in a way that a Lexus will never match. Plus, it is going to be available with a Ferrari V-12 according to autoweek.com
Jaguar should have given Road & Track the new Super V8 to test. The S500 starts at almost $87,000 while the Super V8 starts at $89,995.
"During World War II, the company [Toyota] was dedicated to truck production for the Imperial Army."
#8890 of 24726 Re: Lexus...the greatest thing since sliced bread? [xkss]
Apr 04, 2005 (5:38 pm)
Good God, that is a beautiful car. Have you driven one? When it comes to style, the Italians definately provide lots of "eye."
#8891 of 24726 Quattroporte
Apr 04, 2005 (5:52 pm)
A real looker, imho. I haven't driven one but if I recall, the autorags didn't like the ride very much.