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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#8628 of 24726 Re: ljflx [ljflx]
Mar 18, 2005 (8:02 am)
Yes there was a 6-cylinder 735i at one time from 1988-1992, just before the last S320 came out. The previous S320 made up 40 percent of S-Class sales during certain years from 1992-1999. The Audi S8 is/was performance model and doesn't "die" like you say it does. Its the same has MB not having an E55 from 1996-1998, or BMW and M5 from 1997-1999, those models always come a few years after the basic car appears. Like there is no M5 due until the end of this year as a 2006 model, while the new 5-Series has been around since the 2004 model year. Hardly anything to worry about like you making it out to be, its a normal practice. For the SWB A8 and 6-Cylinder S-Class maybe so if you were buying - you're worried about resale value?
#8629 of 24726 7-series and sixes
Mar 18, 2005 (8:17 am)
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I think the 7s from 77-91 were all six cylinder. They were all V8 from 92 to 95. In 96 they came back with a six in the 728. Don't know long that lasted but it's easy enough to find out. I recall reading that there was supposed to be a six in the new platform but 2006 doesn't have it.
#8630 of 24726 7-Series
Mar 18, 2005 (8:49 am)
The 1988-1994 7-Series, was comprised of the 6-cylinder 735i and 735iL and the V12 750iL in this country. The 735 models were dropped for 1993 for the V8 740i. The 728i was not sold here during this model's run, and the current 7-Series does have a 730i model, but of course it isn't sold here. There were no 6-cylinder 7-Series models sold in the U.S. after 1992.
The 7-Series prior to 1988 were all 6-cylinder models, not sure how many years that car ran, before my time.
#8631 of 24726 Re: sv7887 [merc1]
Mar 18, 2005 (10:08 am)
The A8 is built on an All-Aluminum Space frame, the PHAETON, Continental GT, and Flying Spur do not share this frame thus their increased weight...
#8632 of 24726 Re: 7-Series [merc1]
Mar 18, 2005 (10:10 am)
I had a 1986 BMW 735i that was a 6 cylinder-- at least up until just before I traded it in on a MB, when I discovered the rough idle was because it had become a 5 (working) cylinder!
Early on, that car had to have just about every electronic part replaced (all under warranty)-- that was back when Bimmers were known to be quirkily unreliable and MBs were boring but totally reliable. And Lexus, Infiniti?-- never heard of them.
#8633 of 24726 Re: 7-Series [merc1]
Mar 18, 2005 (10:41 am)
Thanks for the US clarification. However, there was no 735 after 92 in the US so I guess this is the cutoff year for sixes in the US.
Mar 18, 2005 (10:58 am)
It's hard to believe that an S500 costs $20,000 more for MB to build than an S350. Either the S350 is some kind of loss leader, or the S500 is overpriced.
#8635 of 24726 Re: ljflx [merc1]
Mar 18, 2005 (11:08 am)
You are misreading me. As a buyer reasle value would scare me when continuity isn't there. Leasing takes the risk out of the equation. That's all I am saying. The S 8 was a first and didn't last very long and hardly sold so it is an exception to the other cars you note. Note also I used the word hibernate there anyway. But I would'nt put those other cars on the discontinuity list that bothers me as they have a proven sales history, committment and legacy. The S8 doesn't - at least not here.
#8637 of 24726 Re: You think the S prices are high here, try the UK [footie]
Mar 18, 2005 (2:20 pm)
footie - not a fair or correct pricing approach. You have to go Euro to Pound Sterling with no US dollar in the middle to get an accurate price. Both the Euro and Sterling are real strong and have moved up in strength similarly so the price to a UK resident has hardly budged. The same thing would happen if you did this with Lexus where the Yen is also quite strong now. The weak dollar only has an effect here and mfrs. are not able to pass that unfavorable exch rate difference onto the customer in such a competitive enviroment. But you can't use the weak dollar to see what pricing is in foreign markets for foreign goods that have nothing do with the US dollar. Similarly if the dollar strengthened all at once those prices would stay the same in local currencies. The US translated price would drop immediately but MB would still pocket the same amount of Euros and the British resident would still pay the same price in Sterling.