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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#835 of 24726 ljflx
Mar 11, 2001 (9:44 pm)
I'm not worried about the S-Class platform being shared with anything. Chrysler couldn't see anything at that price point anyway. The E and C platforms will probably be shared somewhere done the line. Toyota's main cars had nothing to do with Mercedes, nothing at all. They've been selling hundreds of thousands of cars in the U.S for years. Lexus on the other hand yes it had something to do with Mercedes getting more competitive, but there was already a plan to cut costs and build more cars in the early 90's before Lexus got such a hold on the market. After the hit and miss of the 1992 W140 S-Class Mercedes changed strategies. It wasn't all Lexus' doing. Now that Mercedes knows what it's like to sell a million cars worldwide I am worried about some things. I personally would like to see them build the best car they can, and not worry about sales. Oh well. The A-Class didn't come here because it doesn't fit Mercedes' image in the U.S. Mercedes has more confindence in their cars than most so that certainly isn't it. If they didn't have any confidence in the A-Class they would have abandoned it after the moose thing...
And you need more than one model to build another seperate franchise.
On another note I'm surprised you like the looks of the E-Class. It's timeless to me of course. The E that I still get watery-eyed over is the previous W124 model from 1986-1995. Timeless, Classic Mercedes-Benz...pure.
#836 of 24726 don't cry over spilt milk?
Mar 11, 2001 (10:23 pm)
a low end car with the MB nameplate, well the SUV assembled in Alabama is maybe cashing in on the legend. The E has strong competition and the SL is extremely expensive and other than that I don't see what the fuss is about. Not a moose thing but more like a cash cow problem?
#837 of 24726 merc1 - E-class
Mar 12, 2001 (8:23 pm)
An absolutely timeless car that looks great from every angle. The S-Class has, to me at least, a more sporty look vs. the stately look of the E. While I think the S is a well designed car I don't think it looks great from all angles.On the other hand I always find myself staring at the E, particularly in the brilliant silver and black exterior colors, no matter what the vantage point. As I said to you once before they should extend the car 7 inches or so as it is just too cramped for a car at that price point - it's simply too small for me. (I have a hard time justifying 60k for a car that's the size of a Camry.) The E also maintains the classic MB grill and style whereas the new S seems to be trying to carve out new ground. I agree with you that Lexus copied MB's style so it is a bit insulting to hear it the other way around on the E-class post earlier. But in truth the E's current style is now more of a Lexus look since the new S and C have moved on to a different style.
#838 of 24726 pablo
Mar 12, 2001 (8:28 pm)
If the nasdaq takes another hit like today I'm selling the cars and finding a new planet to live on. How are you holding up?
Mar 12, 2001 (9:37 pm)
I didn't say that US factories are the best in the world, I said they're the most productive -- which they were, last time I looked. Do you have information to the contrary that you can share with us? I get my information from Forbes, Business Weekly, WSJ and the business reports on cable TV, so I sometimes forget exactly where I've read or heard it. But I do know that the last I heard, US assembly plants were the most productive, as were US workers.
#840 of 24726 ljflx
Mar 13, 2001 (4:04 am)
Well you know I like the way they all look. I gonna miss the way Bruno styled MB's cars all these years. I just don't think the E looks like a any Lexus. The new C is first Mercedes to not be styled by Bruno. So far so good. His last effort, the new CL coupe it pobably the best looking Mercedes made so far. A mean feat...
#841 of 24726 merc1
Mar 13, 2001 (4:21 am)
At least you know you are predjudiced about it. Maybe a better way to put it is the E more fits the Lexus family style though it really started the other way around. I think the views are similar from the side and back.
Mar 13, 2001 (12:15 pm)
about the CL -- the CLS is by far and away my favorite, but the SLK still looks sweet.
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Mar 13, 2001 (1:50 pm)
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