Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#8294 of 24726 Re: ljflx [denaliinpa]
Mar 06, 2005 (11:21 pm)
"i would purchase an MB today without hesitation and i don't doubt for a second that the other "ardent MB fans" would either"
Let's for the moment forget that other "ardent MB fans" would buy today's MB, BUT you would buy today's MB, right ? So why didn't you when you had the chance, instead purchasing the A8 ? So what was it that gave the buy to the A8 over the S-class ? was it current needs, size, price, looks, features, ride, handling, performance, luxury, quality, reliability, customer service, etc...?
"an MB will break down on you the moment you leave the dealership is beyond idiotic"
Go tell that to ejerod on the S-class forum. He will remind you of his $90K+ 2001 and 2002 S500s which were duds/lemons/junk... He believed in MB as much as you and Merc1 did. He even ponied up serious $$$$ for 3 MBs. I don't think that his real-life experiences jell with what you described as "... a fantastically innovative and beautiful automobile a Mercedes Benz is..." Only an MB die-hard fanatic would believe that crock...
#8295 of 24726 Re: ljflx [merc1]
Mar 07, 2005 (6:00 am)
Well then that progress to produce a sporty design took a long time - 100 years or so.
Sales - it reverts back to sales because that is the ultimate barmometer that is indisputable. Much of your stuff is subjective to each person which is quite disputable and always will be.
Surveys - what a ridiculous statement it is to say we buy because of surveys. Where were the surveys about Lexus in 1990?? Didn't exist of course. But the brand skyrocketed right out of the starting gate. It's too bad that the surveys bother you so much and you have to resort to nonsensical BS to try and counter them.
#8296 of 24726 let them buy
Mar 07, 2005 (7:33 am)
Let those people buy those European junk cars. They will learn except for those fanatics. I and all the friends and relatives did learn from mistakes. Does MB know that if Lexus didn't exist, they would sell a lot more cars? Again look at electronics. I used to own German TVs, but now I only buy Japanese.
Mar 07, 2005 (8:19 am)
after already having an S55 i wanted something that was not as long but just as wide on the inside. the S isn't available in the US in the swb but this year Audi did offer a swb A8. plus i really like the look inside and out of the A8. i did test drive the 7 and the LS but the 7 was too visually complicated inside and out and the LS the exact opposite. the A8 fell right between the two.
there are horror stories for every brand. on a vw board there is a poster who just purchased an LS430 a week ago and wants to dump it for a Phaeton. and it seems he is willing to take a big hit in resale value to do it. I've had 4 MB's...2 of the dreaded ML's and i didn't have the experience that ejerod had. these are the vehicles....00 E430, 02 S55, 00 ML430, 02 ML500.
so it is not a "crock" that i feel the way i do toward MB, it is real world experience.
as for surveys purposes. if you don't value your own real world experience over what CR's is selling you that is your choice. i wonder how many people who will believe what CR's sells as being 100% accurate will even ponder how many
vehicle surveys did they actually receive to justify that opinion? like i said in an earlier
post...Audi did quite well in CR's survey. big deal. i don't need CR's or JDpowers to be in agreement with me. IMO it is an irrational fear that just because the car i drive isn't on the top of some surveys list it is not manufactured with quality and care.
#8298 of 24726 Re: ljflx [oac] by denaliinpa
Mar 07, 2005 (8:53 am)
"there are horror stories for every brand."
You are right. But there are a lot MORE horror stories for MB than any Japanese or Korean brands now.
Mar 07, 2005 (9:22 am)
The Allante in the earily 90s was a classically beautiful car...Still is.
Mar 07, 2005 (9:40 am)
Styling is not going to get you from A to B. I didn't buy a Rolex to keep time, it's only for show.
#8302 of 24726 Re: ljflx [denaliinpa]
Mar 07, 2005 (10:39 am)
Since most of us are repeat buyers several times over - I think it is quite obvious we value our experience greatly. First time I ever saw the words "what CR sells you". Your bias is way over the top but if you want to go around believing we buy because CR hypnotizes us - so be it. It's fruitless to reason with that viewpoint.
#8303 of 24726 it's no CR
Mar 07, 2005 (11:54 am)
denaliinpa is not against CR, he is against all evidence that shows Lexus is safer, more reliable and retain more value that those European cars. You can't reason with denaliinpa. Let the market speaks for itself. As I said before: If Lexus weren't here, the sales of those junk European cars would be a lot higher. But thanks to Lexus, we now know better.